See #117. In #191 I was giving some examples of facts that I think almost everyone here would agree to, and which specifically do not rely on the birth certificate.
In a court it would mean showing your birth certificate if asked ... We are deporting those with fake BC and SS now when we find them. How is Obama exempt from that?
Despite what self-appointed "experts" say on FR, IMHO it hasn't been shown that Obama has a fake birth certificate or SS #. And so far no court has asked the State of Hawaii or Obama to turn over his long-form birth certificate.
Even a lot of people who question whether Obama is a "natural born citizen" still accept that he is a citizen by virtue of having an American mother. Even if something funny turns up about his original birth certificate, he's not going to be deported.
One of the very first cases there was a writ of certiorari where Obama should have shown documents. Instead he hired the CAIR terrorist hamas attorney to ask for dismissal. Then DNC nor Obama showed any documents whatsoever when it would have been that easy to get this over with months ago. In effect the DNC and Obama said they had no documents to show. No they did not have to show them. They can do exactly what they did and deny and ask for dismissals. Just remember for anything to go to SCOTUS there is merit. They are saying you, a citizen, have no standing or right to ask the Constitution to be upheld. What happened to government being servants of the people as Obama claimed last week? You are nothing to the DNC or Obama.
So what you are saying is Obama is above us all? What is it you will get out of Obama? Free healthcare? No taxes? Income tax refund without paying federal taxes? You want more military killed in Afghanistan? You like babies dying alone after botched abortions? You want African Americans killed off by Obama's abortion on demand policies? Which is it? Or maybe you just hate America like Obama and Michelle? You think the people are the problem? Or is it capitalism that bothers you because you don't want to work and you want some of the money handed to you?
As for freepers being self appointed experts, if that means they do not take Obama's books and website for truth, but they do their own research, then yeah, they are experts. Over and above anything you have posted they are scholars. Intelligent people ask questions and think things through. Lemmings accept the easy way over the cliff everytime. I know how you got your user name however.
Even a lot of people? Who are these people? You sound like Obama saying the American people have asked for the stimulus and so it should be. What a liar he is. Speak for yourself. My hope is Obama will go to prison for the millions of dollars of wire fraud charges. He does not belong near the white house. He is not my President.
Obama could virtually be hiding that he was born in Hawaii but neither parent is a American citizen? That would be on the long form. Or he was adopted and his birth certificate shows the amendment. This is also why a BC would be sealed if he was adopted.