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"It's not false and you know it. Hawaii only said they had documentation on file about Obama birth. They did not say what it was."

To verify we did indeed have the correct document, we contacted the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records.
"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008, after we e-mailed her our copy.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/

And....

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i," the statement concludes.
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html

You're a pretty good propagandist. You are persistent.

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008, after we e-mailed her our copy.

And on the 28 or 29th of June Okubo realized that she could be wrong admitted to the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article:

"I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."

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And you pull out this nonsense:

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

I remember debunking this back in November. "Yes" to what?

Two quotes that are separated.

"That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

"Saying" about what? That the sky is green and the grass is blue?

If the Chicago Times had anything worth saying about Obama's origin, they would not have put it in their blog section - "The Swamp"

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo said June 13, 2008, after we e-mailed her our copy.

Poor, Janice. She, too, was suckered by the forgery. She should have said that it appeared to be a valid Hawaii state birth certificate. It was later demonstrated not to have been.

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

But that is not what Dr. Fukino said. She was careful not to say that because revealing the presence or lack of information on the birth certificate other than the fact that it is on record would have been a violation of law. Furthermore, the fact that "the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" doesn't mean that he was born in Hawaii.

Look at it as a Venn diagram. If the circle of "only people born in Hawaii" contained the circle of those having "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"" and Obama had an "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" and it wasn't faked, then you could say that it was a logical necessity that Obama was born in Hawaii. However, at the time of his birth, this wasn't the case. The circle of people born in Hawaii and the circle of people born outside Hawaii, though themselves not overlapping, were both overlapped by the circle of those having a "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" in Hawaii.

So determining the location of his birth depends on other things than the presence of an "original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." One of those things is the eyewitness testimony of Obama's grandmother (and half-brother and half-sister) who claimed to have been present at his birth in Kenya (at least until they were made to realize the trouble they were causing and clammed up). Also, should they surface again, his birth records from Kenya would be another. That problem, though, may have been "cleaned up" in the wake of the president elect's Chief of Staff "Dead Fish" Rahm Emanuel's "long-planned" vacation in Kenya around the beginning of January.

Like I said before, the Chicago Swamp Tribune story is below dubious at best. Someone else is BS'ing you.

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"Perhaps you would comment on this exchange I had with the Dept of Health in Hawaii about your claims..

-—— Original Message -——
From: Redacted
To: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Alleged statement by Janice Okubo

The Chicago tribune published the following on Nov 3rd:

“Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

Can you please confirm the accuracy of this statement?

Is Dr Fukino categorically stating that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii?

-——Original Message-——
From: vr-info [mailto:vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM
To: Redacted
Subject: Re: Alleged statement by Janice Okubo

Thank you for your inquiry. Hawaii State law protects the birth records of all individuals born in our state under all circumstances. State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS-338-18(b)

Aloha,

vr-info

Department of Health
State of Hawaii
Honolulu, Hawaii"

Monday, December 08, 2008 7:29:08 AM by Wil H