I’m female, so it’s hard for me to know for sure, how many of you guys would want to server knowing you would be likely sharing a tent or other close living arrangements with an openly gay man? I just foresee big problems with this.
I wouldn’t. Of course anything we say will fall on deaf ears.
You think.
We already have to put up with them this will just encourage more of them to come "out". It won't be long before ALL the sleeping quarters will be coed. Might as well be now. I am so glad I am about done with the Navy. I has been a fun ride, but the ride is over, time to move on.
it is not a problem if you don’t care about the military and do not thing the military really matters.
Remember Obama thinks WW II could have been prevented if FDR had spent MORE on socialism (communist) programs.
Obama does not need a military since his goal is to surrender to the enemies of the USA.
I served and will guarantee that i know of not one man who would want o serve with homos, not one and I forsee a lot of resignations over this along with I know my two sons who was looking to join have now said they will not
brytlea,
I’m a Florida boy just down the road west of Port St. Lucie.
I’ll tell ya in time of war you worry more of the guy next to you protecting you, not worrying about his sexuality.
War times are short and the down time is long. That is when you will have problems.
You will see a rapid decrease in the morale and readiness of our services.
You will see big problems.
Nice photos by the way,
Keep it up.
“sharing a tent or other close living arrangements with an openly gay man?”
I put in 20 years, so my opinion should have at least as much consideration as a guy who never put on the uniform of his country.
At best, I’d want to study the issue in a controlled, scientific research experiment and not use the military as the experiment, nor taking the word of “gay science” if that’s what you’d call it. Certainly, I’m not suggesting we take the word of the usual gay-bashing groups, either.
At it’s most fundamental, the issue here is not a gay issue for me. It’s an issue of sex in the foxhole. There’s a reason we don’t want men and women and subordinates and superiors engaged in sex in military units. Or even the office at work. Sex diverts attention from the mission. Jealousy, distraction, competition. All wrong for the mission.
Add to that the revulsion of many straight men for the very idea of homosexuality. Now you add direct aggression, either from the gays or the (literal) gay bashers. And suspicion.
There is a certain tension in military units, which may not be a perfect solution, but it works for the most part. Gays can find each other and be safe in their privacy off base or after duty. Just like heteros can find each other and do the adultery deed or whatever.
But when one sex is aggressive toward the other, unwanted advances, create a whole series of problems. Add gays hitting on straights and sexual harassment takes on a whole new dimension.
Perhaps the one thing Pat Buchanan ever said worth repeating is: The love whose name cannot be spoken is now the love that can’t shut up about itself, or words to that effect.
For certain, the openly gay battalion commander, platoon leader, squad leader, company commander won’t find a lot of hard-core soldier types wanting to follow him or her into battle.
If this issue goes the way of mortgage lending, which has created a world in which it’s seemingly dumb to save up money for a down payment, qualify for a mortgage and keep up your payments because you’ll be bailed out for being a loser . . .
Why would you want to do that to the most professional fighting force in the history of the world? If you must experiment, do it in a study setting, for heaven’s sake. Hey, if the results can be duplicated in studies and found to be valid, go ahead, open the doors. Otherwise . . .
The military as we know it will cease to exist, if you experiment.
That’s my opinion. What about the opinions of those in uniform?
No one can know the outcome of this. But I can tell you that there absolutely has to be research out there already. Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors. They’ve been surveyed. If they were clamoring for closer quarters with openly gay folks, you’d already know about it.
I’d bet that they do NOT want openly gay commanders and bunkmates. If a gay lieutenant is effective but not always broadcasting, either overtly or quietly his gaiety, no problem. But not matter how effective, once the gay goggles go on, there will be trouble. Our professionals will leave because they will refuse to serve. Alternatively, and I say this sadly, there will be blood.
Good Lord! As I say, why do we even have to have this conversation?
The magnitude of the irrational homophobia on this thread floors me. If our big tough military men are going to be threatened by a gay comrade, maybe they should look for a different line of work. I served 20 years in the USAF. I served with gay and lesbian members, some of them high ranking officers. All of them were fierce patriots, dedicated to defending their country. I was never made to feel uncomfortable and was never propositioned.
After I retired, I worked with people who were gay and lesbian. The topic of their sexuality never was an issue in the workplace and I was never propositioned or embarrassed. I even showered next to some at the gym and never once saw them staring at my butt or junk. On the other hand, even though I was married, I was propositioned by women in the workplace, some aggressively.
Get over it and grow up people.
I have been around gay men most of my life (pre-adolescence to adulthood) because of work and family circumstances. Some have been friends. I have never been “hit on” by a gay acquaintance, in any obvious manner. I am also pretty secure in my heterosexuality, so the “gaydar” that homosexuals often use is effective.
My real concern is that the military will force “sensitivity” training on straight soldiers. That’s where things get screwed up. Most of us hetero guys can figure these issues out on our own without a lot of problems, as long as we don’t have to listen to the “I am Gay, thus I deserve more rights and protections” BS.
Good question, ma’am. Let me try and answer it this way.
You know that going ‘absent without leave’ (AWOL) or desertion sometimes happen in the military? Well, some of those absences and desertions go only as far as a hole in the ground in some obscure part of the base. Capisce?
Not I, no way, no how and I suspect recruiters will have a hell of a time getting anyone in, EXCEPT homosexuals looking to be with an unlimited supply of sexual partners.
It will gut and destroy our Military AS WE KNOW IT TODAY!!
Nudity is not sexual behavior. If you've ever spent even an afternoon on a clothing-optional beach, you know that.
This is Obama taking the first steps toward destroying our military.
Not to mention administering first aid, with the possibility of PFC tinkie winkie having HIV/AIDS or some other easily communicable disease.
What Zer0 proposes is very dangerous, it will undermine the moral and unit cohesiveness within the military.
There will be a very sharp drop in retention, and an equally sharp drop in recruiting due to such a policy and it will more than likely result in a reinstatement of the draft.