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To: theDentist
"we must ponder the question: does the cell possess the intelligence ... "

To what end? All living things involve cells and it seems to me, based on living things adapting (one way or the other, ie life or death) to different enviornments, that all living things are capable of some level of sense perception, which might include senses we know nothing about.

"As a network engineer I know that changes in data do not improve a program, they render it useless or problematic at best. Ever have a corrupted program on your computer spontaneously develop new and improved features?"

Programming changes improve programs, not data changes. If you have data problems, human engineer your program to identify them. When it comes to spontaneously developing new and imporved computer program features, I do it daily.

"We are not finding newly evolved species."

The AIDS virus is a new species.

"Does anyone think that at the sub-cellular level decisions are being made to evolve with the environment? "

Just as theories proposed by Copernicus and Galileo moved toward being accepted as fact, Darwin's theory is moving up to being fact.

"the best scientists have not a clue as to how life started

True ... We also don't have a clue as to how the universe started.

Thank you for your time ...

15 posted on 01/09/2009 1:32:33 PM PST by OldNavyVet (Character counts)
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To: OldNavyVet
When it comes to spontaneously developing new and imporved computer program features, I do it daily.

YOU do; alpha particles don't.

17 posted on 01/09/2009 1:42:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: OldNavyVet
You answered your own question that an intelligent source designed it. When you speak of a “living thing adapting” don't you see the difference between reacting to our outside environment and changes on the cellular level are analogous to the profound differences of Newtonian physics and Einstein's world of subatomic particle physics? Cells don't “know” about what we encounter and they can't make rational choices. They can only react in a preprogrammed way to outside stimuli whether it be chemical, radiation, etc.

You state that all living things are capable of some level of sense perception. But why would they develop these sense systems originally since they would have no idea that the outside stimuli (sight, hearing, taste, touch, smell) even existed. So what do you base this upon?

The idea that living organisms contain many of the same features and functions among species proving evolution also falls flat when you consider a unicycle, bicycle, tricycle, car, and jet plane - all have wheels but only a simpleton would rationalize that the jet evolved from a unicycle. The devices all posit an intelligent designer who could have used aspects of one device when engineering the next.

As for the programming aspect your argument confirms my reasoning - YOU as a designer improve the program, the program doesn't improve itself.

AIDS is a lentivirus (a slow moving virus) and part of a group called rhino-viruses. It is NOT a new species. Viruses by their NATURE are programmed to modify themselves to ADAPT. The flu does this every year. Yet no one sees the flu becoming a new species. It is still the flu. Forms of AIDS have been discovered in monkeys and now scientists are stating it may have been around in different ADAPTED forms for centuries. If humanity hadn't been consuming AIDS-tainted monkey meat (SIV), the transfer between species would probably never have occurred.

If you put up an umbrella in the rain, wear shorts in the summer, or put on a heavy coat in the cold - you don't become a new species. You've simply ADAPTED to your environment. Speaking a different language doesn't make you a different species. It means you have ADAPTED to the cultural environment you're in.

Molecular biologists are not moving towards Darwinism as fact. The truth is they are seeing errors and holes throughout its theories. If the same rigor surrounding math and physics were applied to the field of evolution, it would collapse like a house of cards. Many of its greatest adherents are secular philosophers who couch their arguments using scientific terms but cannot prove evolution because it is not a repeatable process and fails under the guiding principles used for science. I would posit the real driving force is the desire to eliminate God and the very element of moral influence which pervades American thought and the world view of Christians.

Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Kepler - all Christians. Christians embrace God and the knowledge that the discoveries of science time and time again demonstrates the Creator who put these things in place.

Darwinism is nothing but a flat-earth theory for biology in a 21st century world. And just as the world hated those who spoke of our planet as a round orb or the sun as the center of our solar system - in time Darwin and his theories will be exposed for the many deficiencies, outright lies, and manipulated fraud to push an agenda.

23 posted on 01/09/2009 3:01:41 PM PST by datakcy (Declaring our love for God, country, and family ISN'T hate speech - it's common sense!)
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