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It may be true that some of the natural processes that may contribute to global warming (or cooling) aren't completely understood. The point is, the burden of proof regarding anthropogenic global warming is on them.
1 posted on 01/08/2009 11:57:18 AM PST by pjd
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 01/08/2009 12:00:38 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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“Is global warming caused by human activity?”

According to the left global warming is caused by mankind......but when presented with evidence that the global temperatures have been declining, the left blame the La Nina effect, say that it’s only temporary and that La Nina is OK because it’s “natural”......

I actually had this conversation this morning with a liberal who also thought Jimmy carter was one of our best presidents.....


4 posted on 01/08/2009 12:03:25 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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Well presented article.

Too bad the diagrams aren’t appearing.


5 posted on 01/08/2009 12:12:28 PM PST by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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Very good job.

I have not read anything to date about what the greenhouse effect would look like. Knowing that what is in fact going on is nothing like what the greenhouse theory predicts is a rather large nail in the coffin of manmade global warming hysteria.

6 posted on 01/08/2009 12:19:53 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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Beautifuly written, outstanding article, and your logic seems impeccable. Unforntunately, the Goreons will never read it.


7 posted on 01/08/2009 12:24:32 PM PST by pelican001
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Warning!! Post hoc, ergo propter hoc error!

Cock crows, sun rises. Ergo Cock caused sun to rise. WRONG. Dead wrong. And very expensive to believe.

8 posted on 01/08/2009 12:25:07 PM PST by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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This is a very good article.

FWIW I made that determination before I discovered that you were the author.

Good work.


10 posted on 01/08/2009 12:30:25 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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Hi,
Great post!
Just last night the PBS station had a series on the history of India. Seems many of the large cities disappeared due to “global warming”, way back around 1500 B.C. (NOT BCE!).
How many cars were driving then?
Look to the nearest nuclear furnace to Earth, a star, some call it the “Sun”. Tell me about the spike in temperature, or decrease in sunspot activity.
Polar ice caps melting? Happens on Mars!
I could go on, but thanks,
Rohn


12 posted on 01/08/2009 12:34:28 PM PST by rohn (Vote for the liars, they promised us more!)
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“temperature and Earth’s orbital variations.”????

read about that here:

What causes the Earth’s climate to change?

Climate change is complex—there are many dynamics involved. A major factor may be the relationship between the Earth and the Sun.

Astronomer Milutin Milankovitch (1879 – 1958) studied the variations in the shape of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun and the tilt of the Earth’s axis. He theorized that these cyclical changes and the interactions among them were responsible for long-term climate changes.

Milankovitch studied three factors:

1. Changes in the tilt of the Earth’s axis;

2. Variations in the shape of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun; and

3. Precession: changes in how the tilt of the axis is oriented in relation to the orbit.
>>>more>> http://www.seed.slb.com/en/scictr/watch/climate_change/causes_other.htm#tilt


13 posted on 01/08/2009 12:35:06 PM PST by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a Daffy Duck)
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Hmmmm, lesseeeeee......I’ll makes this simple so Obama can understand it (e.g., no math).

Global warming has occurred N times (where N is a large number).

N-1 of these times were way, way before cars, etc.

N-2 of these times were before humans.

Ergo: (OK, Obamaloon, let’s see if you can figure this one out.)


14 posted on 01/08/2009 12:38:49 PM PST by Da Coyote
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Einstein ... "A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact."

BINGO

16 posted on 01/08/2009 12:53:31 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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Furthermore, by what logic do we choose such a theory over an established theory that has physical evidence and positive correlation with observations, ...

I live within a very large Superfund Site. The EPA has been present here for over two decades. They have very seriously adversely impacted the local economy and business climate. The local folks would like to be rid or their "help." Early on a "Science Committee" of some very talented local citizens was established to refute some of the claims made by the EPA.

At a meeting of local (Science Committee), state and EPA people some very compelling evidence was presented, accepted and subsequently implemented into future Superfund projects. Not the local one. We are still stuck with EPA regardless of the facts. One of the state people at that meeting said, privately to a Science Committee member, that the situation is not one of science, but it is political. No matter what we did or will do, we locals will not win the argument on science or logic.

pjd has presented a very good article. Had I not already been convinced, this would have done it. Now this reasoning needs to be incorporated into the political argument. That is where the algores will be defeated. Not on evidence alone.

17 posted on 01/08/2009 1:00:31 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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ping


19 posted on 01/08/2009 1:13:26 PM PST by r-q-tek86 (The U.S. Constitution may be flawed, but it's a whole lot better than what we have now)
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Outstanding article, IMHO! Thanks!!


20 posted on 01/08/2009 1:38:25 PM PST by pt17
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Global warming is caused by Liberals. The BEST way to keep the planet from warming is to
1) Cover the mouths of Liberals with Duct Tape,
2) Place Liberals in underground prisons (ambient temperature in caves will cool the hot air),
3) Send Liberals to Africa because there’s already hot air there. They could help the Africans build irrigation ditches, etc.


22 posted on 01/08/2009 1:52:52 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (YOU can get your own Bail Out . . .Dec 18 post at http://auntiecoosa.blogspot.com)
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ping


23 posted on 01/08/2009 2:44:54 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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Al Gore told me Global warming......err I meant to say Climate Change is real and humans are to the cause of it............. so it must be true.

After all he was VP and they are really smart people..............just ask Joe Biden

25 posted on 01/08/2009 3:59:41 PM PST by Popman (Dont worry Barney Frank has your ass-ets covered!!!)
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The argument is quite simple really.

We know that global warmings have occurred several times before the existence of Man. Even if we don't understand how or why, we know for certain that Nature can do it. Therefore, any argument about the causes of global warming must begin with the assumption that it is natural.

In order to argue that the Mankind is the cause, it must first be shown, beyond doubt, that Nature cannot be the cause. But since we don't understand the climate well enough to completely explain the natural variations, then we don't understand it well enough to prove that the current variations aren't natural. So the first essential hurdle has not been met.

Then there are the other problems:

Global warming has not occurred for ten years.
The predictions of greenhouse gas theory (rate of temperature increase in the tropical troposphere) are inconsistent with observations.

AGW fails on all fronts.

26 posted on 01/08/2009 5:05:47 PM PST by pjd
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29 posted on 01/08/2009 5:56:12 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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everyone should read that


31 posted on 01/08/2009 6:21:53 PM PST by GeronL (intermitten freeper)
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