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Columbia crew didn't stand a chance, NASA says
globeandmail.com ^ | 12/31/2008 | Irene Klotz

Posted on 12/31/2008 1:34:25 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — Astronauts on the shuttle Columbia were trying to regain control of their craft before it broke apart in 2003, but there was no chance of surviving the accident, a NASA report said on Tuesday.

From the crew's perspective, the shift from what appeared to be a normal descent on Feb. 1, 2003, into tragedy happened so fast that the astronauts did not even have time to close the visors on their helmets.

Columbia broke apart about 20 kilometres over Texas as it headed for landing at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The cause of the accident was traced to a hole in one of the shuttle's wings, which was hit by a piece of falling foam insulation during launch 16 days earlier.

Seven astronauts were killed when superheated atmospheric gases blasted inside the breach like a blow torch, melting the ship's structure.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nasa; shuttlecolumbia; space; spaceprogram; spaceshuttle
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To: bvw

“That was an unexpected accident, not a reasonably foreseeable risk”

Fire in a rocket is unexpected? They failed to identify and address the risk but it was certainly foreseeable.


121 posted on 01/01/2009 4:18:38 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Soul of the South
The Shuttle program has been running since 1977. That's thirty one years. The Shuttle risks REMAIN almost the same as the day one first launched, and may, indeed, today, be greater. The Shuttle has never had very much of a scientific or research value, today it is worthless, less than worthless those ways, and its political value today is also much less. Folks no longer get hyped up about Shuttle launches -- in a macabre way they, we, are interested in the Shuttle for one reason -- when will the next spectacular failure be, or on the other side of the coin -- how many launches and landings can be made without a spectacular failure. It's like watching a stock car race for the crashes. Nobody cares about anything but the possibility of spectacular, deadly, failure. There's no science, no worthwhile research, and nothing left of political juice in it. Outside of the socialism aspect, the corruption aspect.

Otherwise it's a just a "Death Race 2000". Only not a B-movie, real lives. Murder.

122 posted on 01/01/2009 4:20:53 AM PST by bvw
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To: driftdiver
Happy New Year! May this year see sanity, prosperity and moral fecundity.

The tragic Apollo 1 fire was not in a rocket, or on a rocket. The astronauts where doing in-capsule ground testing, the fire was contained withing the capsule, and that was horrible enough.

123 posted on 01/01/2009 4:26:53 AM PST by bvw
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To: cripplecreek
Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into NASA of today.

It must have escaped your notice that Apollo 13 was a failure, caused by someone dropping the oxygen tank such that it could not then be drained later during tests. Their solution? Turn the heat on and boil off the liquid oxygen. Only problem was that this burned the electrical insulation, creating a time-bomb in the Service Module. The crew got back alive, but barely.

The "Right Stuff"? No, just human error -- sometimes found and corrected, sometimes not. In the 1950's -- the era of "The Right Stuff" -- test pilots died at a rate of about one a week. We've had 14 fatalities on the Shuttle since it started flying almost 28 years ago.

124 posted on 01/01/2009 4:30:17 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: MahatmaGandu
And let's not forget that both accidents were also caused by NASA's insistence on going with the cheapest possible design for a shuttle.

Lest we forget Alan Shepard's words of wisdom before his lift-off:

Flight Control [after yet another launch delay]: How are you feeling?

Shepard: How would you feel, sitting atop 2 billion dollars of the lowest bid?.

125 posted on 01/01/2009 6:48:15 AM PST by woofer ('Senator Obama ain't run nothin' but his mouth' - Steyn)
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To: Cincinatus

Apollo 13 was a success. The crew lived, the system showed itself to be robust. The Shuttle has ever been a fragile piece of crap, and deadly.


126 posted on 01/01/2009 6:58:19 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
You can't compare an experimental system like Apollo to an operational one like Shuttle. Apollo flew 11 times with people (15 if you also count Skylab and ASTP). The Shuttle has flown 123 times, with an aggregate time in space of over 1100 days. That "fragile piece of crap" has safely flown over 700 people to space and back.

Apollo as a flight system never had a launch abort, although it came very close to one (Apollo 12, struck by lightning on launch, was seconds away from an abort). If they had to use the Launch Escape Tower on Apollo, there was only a 50-50 chance of surviving such an abort.

127 posted on 01/01/2009 8:17:02 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: Cincinatus
You can't compare an experimental system like Apollo to an operational one like Shuttle.

Yes they can be compared and that is the point. People compare the jet test-pilots of the 1950's to the shuttle crews. THAT is an inappropriate comparison.

As you say, the Shuttle is an operational system. The proper comparison is to airliners, or to look to more hazardous OPERATIONAL transport forms -- to ice road truckers, or early airline travel of the 1930's or the 1920's era air mail flights.

I also have compared the Shuttle record of catastrophic failure -- total failure, loss of lives -- to an endeavors which should be far more risky than experimental modes of travel. To war. As a mode of operational travel the Shuttle is at least 20 times more total, deadly failure prone than being an American soldier on the ground in Iraq during the war, during the recent surge period.

And the experimental travel mode of Apollo had a ZERO PERCENT catastrophic failure rate. They got to the moon and back, again and again. There would have been more Apollo but the Shuttle Socialists killed it.

128 posted on 01/01/2009 8:38:02 AM PST by bvw
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To: TigersEye

Bump for the 29th anniversary of our watching Challenger live on the ground. Today always makes me sad.


129 posted on 01/28/2015 7:59:04 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Columbia was the heaviest shuttle ever launched. All that weight was descending into a dense winter atmosphere with a hole in the wing. Had they dumped all the weight possible and attempted a landing in Australia with a modified reentry program to take stress off the bad wing they may have survived.


130 posted on 01/28/2015 8:05:10 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: cripplecreek
Too bad we can’t re-instill the right stuff from the days of Apollo 13 into NASA of today.

Remember Apollo 1? Things happen.

131 posted on 01/28/2015 8:06:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Captain Beyond

Here is the link to the “As It Happened” thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/833885/posts


132 posted on 01/28/2015 8:08:59 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I can chip in.


133 posted on 01/28/2015 8:17:54 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

If I thought it would work, I would spare no expense. Heh.


134 posted on 01/28/2015 8:24:23 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

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>> “ The cause of the accident was traced to a hole in one of the shuttle’s wings, which was hit by a piece of falling foam insulation during launch 16 days earlier.” <<

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Caused by “environmentalism” replacing engineering!

The original foam that had been designed for the launch vehicles required the use of fluoro-carbons, which were banned due to ‘Chicken Little’ environmentalism.

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135 posted on 01/28/2015 8:32:28 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Thanks for the ping. That is a day I will never forget. Can't believe it has been 29 years. I remember just how we felt standing there on the causeway with 200 or so others in near silence. Like someone had given us a big punch in the gut.

I can't quite believe it has been seven years since I made that post to you. Slow the clock down! lol

136 posted on 01/28/2015 3:29:21 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: TigersEye
Like someone had given us a big punch in the gut.

Same here. Our school hallway had a big television and we were all gathered around, perhaps even a bit jaded about launches, and then, confusion followed those agonizing shots of wayward trails...

I was sick to my stomach and numb. Twice in my life I felt that way. The other was 9-11.

137 posted on 01/28/2015 3:35:18 PM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Evil Slayer

“And their souls are forever at peace in heaven and in the loving arms of Jesus.”

Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on what decisions they made during their lives on earth.


138 posted on 01/28/2015 3:41:21 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Sirius Lee

Yeah, I felt numb too. My mind just wouldn’t re-boot for some time. I think 9-11 hit me harder but the anger that came with it burned off that stunned feeling faster.


139 posted on 01/28/2015 3:50:08 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: driftdiver
NASA decided to comply with new EPA regulations.

2005 FR thread: Shuttle Foam Loss Linked to EPA Regs

140 posted on 01/28/2015 3:57:53 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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