Posted on 12/19/2008 4:59:51 PM PST by Enchante
No it wasn’t Eunice, Eunice is Maria’s mother... it was Rosemary, they did a lobotomy on her and then placed her in an institution.
So what if she has or hasn’t? It’s a non-story.
non news
That’s what I thought. I couldn’t figure out the connection to whatever.
Like we would see an AP story saying Obama’s Wife’s Cousins Ex Girlfriends’ Mothers Uncles Sisters Maid was seen snorting coke.
“Like we would see an AP story saying Obamas Wifes Cousins Ex Girlfriends Mothers Uncles Sisters Maid was seen snorting coke.”
Good one!! Not likely.
MAYBE if Obama was caught sacrificing a mentally challenged non-English speaking, physically handicapped non-Caucasian illegal alien minor in a backroom of the White House to some pagan God, it MIGHT make page 31 of the New York Times.
That's why old Joe Kennedy had her LOBOTOMIZED.
That's how she ended up mindless and drooling in an institution for the rest of her life.
When Teddy starting showing "tendencies" the family hauled him away for military service where Old Joe couldn't get to him.
Never softpeddle the Kennedy nonsense. These people are brutal!
Go back to the thread. I posted the information about how the Kennedy family LOBOTOMIZED her. Before that she was normal.
Neither one of the Obama daughters is a teenager. Most likely the old man would force an abortion on her, but let the 22 year old baby-daddy go lest it unnecessarily stir emotions.
I thought I recalled how Joe Kennedy was some sort of NAZI sympathizer when he was ambassador to GB in the ‘30’s. Not sure, but would fit in with his apparent desire to control what he saw as the unfit.
You are totally naive. The MSM will decide the shelf life of this story. If it has legs it could be the trial of the 21st century-don’t bet against the Democrats trying to tie Levi and Bristol with Sherry Johnston’s drug use or supplying drugs. I wouldn’t put anything past by these scumbags.
Re Sherry Johnston - not bad looking at all. Doesn’t look like a hard-druggie, but more like a pot smoker, which probably describes half the people in Alaska. Not much to do up there in the winter . . .
Joe ended up on the American side during WWII. His eldest son Joseph Jr. was killed in the war. His second son John was seriously injured in the war. His third son Robert served in the Navy on a ship named Joseph P. Kenedy. His fourth son Theodore served in the Army during the Korean war, but was stationed in Paris.
Except for luck, lack of luck, happenstance and political positioning, the Kennedy family would have migrated to the Republican party along with other leading, wealthy Catholic families.
Most Democrats these days imagine that the Kennedy family were somehow "antiwar" ~ any disinterested observer would note that they were clearly a warrior family ready for a fight and very much pro-American.
Teddy's brain cancer has undoubtedly hindred him in recent decades and as a consequence he hasn't had a new thought since he was expelled from from Harvard the second time (the thought being to avoid the old man and join the Army ~ he screwed up by signing up for 4 years, but his dad pulled strings and got that shortened to 2. By the time he got out ol'Joe was no longer angry with him, or was otherwise distracted, so Teddy did not get lobotomized.)
They'll get you for that!
Assuming the story is true, no way would I hold it against Sarah Palin.
btw, I never blamed Ronald Reagan for his son Ron. And I have no reason to blame Palin for her loony daughter's behavior. However, I did find it stupid and tacky for Sarah Palin to have included the guy who knocked up her daughter at the convention like he was some kind of hero. And John McCain embracing the creepy guy, that was yucky. I could never imagine my parents embracing that sort of guy.
Heartbreaking, horrible story — young Rosemary Kennedy was considered a bit slow intellectually but she was vivacious, lively, affectionate, and definitely not mentally “retarded” according to a good number of contemporary accounts. By her early 20s she was having more troubles with her father (Joe, Sr. was the kind of bombastic a-hole that might have been too much for any sensitive soul). Her “condition” is now often regarded as more likely to be depression (quite possibly due to her overbearing father, at least in part) than anything like “retardation”....
Joe, Sr. had her lobotomized (without consulting her mother, Rose, Sr.) and the operation wrecked her mind and speech forever. From what I have read, she became “mentally disabled” BECAUSE of the operation and most certainly was not disabled prior to the lobotomy. Then she was relegated to an institution for the rest of her life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy
Kathleen Kennedy’s former boyfriend, John White, claimed that Kathleen admitted to him the secret that Rosemary had learning problemsbut what really concerned her father were “mood changes” and a “new neurological disturbance.” She added that “the family considered Rosemary a disgrace and failure’”. [9]
Kessler conducted the only interview with Dr. Watts, who “told the author that, in his opinion, Rosemary had suffered not from mental retardation, but from a form of depression. ‘It may have been agitated depression, you’re agitated, you’re shaky. You talk in an agitated way.’”
Kessler writes, “A review of all records by the two doctors confirmed Dr. Watt’s [sic] declaration. None of the papers listed any of the patient as being mentally retarded. According to a review in the American Journal of Psychiatry, of all reports of lobotomies ever done, the procedure was only used for psychiatric illness” [10]
“One of the doctors who knew the truth was Dr. Bertram S. Brown, executive director of the President’s Panel on Mental Retardation,” Kessler writes. “According to Dr. Brown, the fact that Rosemary could do arithmetic meant that her IQ was well above 75, the cutoff used by most states for purposes of classification in schools to define mental retardation.” At the age of nine, she did problems like 428 × 32 = 13696, 3924 / 6 = 654. At age 16 she wrote to her father “I would do anything to make you so happy. I hate to disapoint [sic] you in anyway [sic].” Her diary reveals an ability to write about and understand various situations around her.
Kessler quotes Dr. Brown, a former director of the National Institute of Mental Health, as saying, “If she did division and multiplication, she was over an IQ of 75. She was not mentally retarded. It could be she had an IQ of 90 in a family where everyone was 130, so it looked like retardation, but she did not fall into IQ 75 and below, which is the definition of mental retardation. There is no way I can picture her at less that a 90 IQ, but in that family, 90 would be considered retarded.”
Kessler adds that in Dr. Brown’s opinion, the family’s treatment of Rosemary led to her mental illness. “I think it’s likely she was somewhat slower than the others. Then she was treated as if she was retarded. Then it becomes reactive depression, including rages and loss of control. That is mental illness. The reason she got depressed was that she reacted to being treated as a lesser member of the family.” While the children tried to include her in their activities, “given the highly competitive environment of the Kennedy family, they could not help but to communicate to her that she was not up to their standards.” The fact that Joe banished Rosemary to live with his aide demonstrated his rejection of her. “The stigma of mental illness in those days was like tuberculosis or cancer or worse. Mental retardation is more benignly not your fault. Even in [Dr. Watts’s] day, performing a lobotomy on someone who was mentally ill would have been medical malpractice.”
According to Kessler, Dr. Brown called the suppression of the truth “the biggest mental health cover-up in history.” Since the “public story” is still that Rosemary was retarded, the “lack of support for mental illness is part of a total lifelong family denial of what was really so. Some of us knew the secret and kept it secret ” [11]
I know I had heard something of J Kennedy's wartime attitudes, wasn't sure what, though. Looks like I have some more reading to do.
Thanks.
For one thing, no wedding has occurred so Ms. Johnston is not even an “in-law” to any of the Palin’s. The ADN reports the drug is oxycontin.
For another thing, I recall reading back in early September that this woman was supporting Obama for president. Apparently, she and the governor have are far from friendly.
who really cares.....the mother of the young man who is the father of Sarah s’ first grandchild could have a drawer full of oxycontin and still not outdrug most of the hollywood types....
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.