Posted on 12/18/2008 4:27:03 PM PST by FreeAtlanta
Unedited and messed up response from Saxby Chambliss to a request that he demand that Barack (Barry) Obama (Soetoro) have a certified long form Birth Certificate sent to the Senate to prove his eligibility. Try not to bust a blood vessel.
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Dear mail.salutation_for_merging.merge :
Thank you for contacting me to share your concerns over President-elect Obama's citizenship. I appreciate hearing from you.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the United States Constitution states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." President-elect Obama demonstrated his citizenship during his campaign by circulating copies of his birth certificate, which showed he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.
On December 8, 2008, the Supreme Court declined to hear a case filed by a New Jersey attorney, Mr. Donofrio , regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship. Unlike many of the lawsuits regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship, which claim he was really born on foreign soil, Mr. Donofrio's case concedes that President-elect Obama was born in Hawaii but contends he still held foreign citizenship at birth. Mr. Donofrio's lawsuit argues that since President-elect Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of President-elect Obama's birth, then Obama was a British citizen at birth and not eligible to be President of the United States.
Another attorney, Mr. Berg, has filed a lawsuit regarding President-elect Obama's citizenship and is waiting to hear whether the Supreme Court will take up the case or not. A federal judge in Eastern Pennsylvania threw out Mr. Berg's lawsuit in October, saying he lacked legal standing to bring the challenge since he could not show he faced individual harm even if he could prove his claims about President-elect Obama's citizenship. The judge did not get to the merits of the case. Mr. Berg is appealing the standing issue to the Supreme Court.
If a person is born in the United States, a certificate of live birth issued where one is born is sufficient proof of U.S. citizenship. The certificate, confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health as authentic, shows that President-elect Obama was born in Hawaii.
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I think I posted on the monster thread that there were 2 announcements and got no response. I let it drop due to pressing circumstances.
Sorry this ping slipped past me, the birth announcement appeared in the Sunday, August 13,1961 edition of “The Honolulu Advertiser” and the Wednesday, August 16, 1961 edition of “The Star Bulletin”. Both papers are still operational although “The Star Bulletin” was sold to Canadian interests in 1996. “The Honolulu Advertiser” is Gannett owned while “The Star Bulletin” is a McClatchy interest. Supposedly the information for the birth announcements was supplied by the Department of Health/Vital Statistics, which was received from the local hospitals once a week. However, if someone came in and registered a birth with Vital Stats when the birth had taken place in a home, that information could also generate a birth announcement. At this time we also know that neither Obama Sr nor the Dunhams lived at the address listed in the birth announcement. People often say others are nuts for suggesting a 47 year old conspiracy by placing a birth announcement in the paper, which would be provided as secondary proof of birth. I believe the registration of birth which generated the birth announcement was an attempt to “preserve the honor of a daughter” and to “legitmize a birth”. It’s easy to have said daughter return to HI a few years later and say “Isn’t it a shame Ann’s marriage didn’t work out and she is left to raise a baby by herself?”
Yes, I was aware of research done that proved that fact to a very high degree of probability.
Do you have any comment on (1) the possibility that microfiches of the 1961 newspapers may have been altered much more recently to instert the respective birth announcements and (2) the seeming oddity of no baby's name in the Obama birth announcement and, IIRC, none of the others?
Here’s where I posted about 2 birth announcements.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2128445/posts?page=64#64
An Open Letter to Barack Obama:(Draft of WTP full-page ad to be published in USA TODAY
Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:11:06 PM · 64 of 93
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This looks interesting. Maybe something will come from all of our efforts after all.
By the way, I wanted to pass this one by you guys. Someone posted it on my intrade thread. The jist of it seems to be, how can 2 Honolulu newspapers, print identical lists if Obamas birth announcement was supposedly paid for?
http://bb.intrade.com/intradeForum/posts/list/240/2279.page
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In the page that Delphi linked (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php) the images are small, but if you click on the image it shows a larger image.
These are ...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
One thing you will notice if you look at the full list - they are identical.
So two Honolulu newspapers, printing an identical lists? How does that happen? Maybe they are owned by the same people? I checked - they werent - they were rivals until May 1962 (http://www.altlaw.org/v1/cases/1065427)
So they must have had the same source ... A little more digging and it turns out that they do ...
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/23/obama-was-likely-born-in-hawaii/#comment-12154
Hi, Ive talked to the Department of Vital Records and the Honolulu Advertiser.In 1961, the hospitals would take their new birth certificates to Vital Records. At the end of the week, Vital Records would post a sheet that for the news paper to pick up that contained births, deaths, marriages and divorces. The Advertiser routinely printed this information in their Sunday edition. This is not a paid announcement that his grandmother could arrange. This is information that comes from Vital Records - we know this because this particular section reflects those records. They didnt have a provision for paid, one sentence announcement that would be included in the Vital Records. At the time, if a child was born outside a hospital, the family would have 30 days to apply for a birth certificate and Vital Records would expect to see prenatal care records, or pediatrician records of the first check up, etc. Theyd also want the notarized statement from the mid-wife. Of course, they can apply later but that would noted as a different kind of birth certificate. I think TD has already addressed that. This information was received by Vital Records the first week of his birth = that suggests the hospital.
Next, the announcement is from Sunday, August 13th and Obama was born on Friday, August 4th. Hospitals usually dont take birth certificate information the first couple days to avoid changes. So it was likely filled out on the 4th or so, as hospital stays were usually 3 - 5 days at the time. Lastly, having worked in a newborn nursery in college, hospitals dont ask for documentation. If mom says shes married, thats what they write. They have no authority to question her statement.
In Honolulu at the time, paid birth announcements werent in vogue. Frequently families would post one year announcements that included pictures from the party, etc. I havent checked to see if that exists.
I hope that finishes clearing this up.
This is from Lori who was the researcher that dug up the Sunday Advertiser announcement ... Oh and she is a PUMA so she was probably looking for a LACK of an announce.
Until I found this, I was reluctantly willing to concede that (however unbelievably unlikely,) it was theoretically possible or at least hard to disprove, the story that Obama was born in Kenya on the 4th, flew to Hawaii on the 6th or 7th and the birth was registered on the 8th. But this information blows even that crazy story out of the water.
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I also hate voting for rinos and will now vote 3rd party. voting rino at least slowed the nation’s demise, but now, i see that the fall of America as we know it is a foregone conclusion unless we can elect true conservatives..and the GOP is pretty much on empty and has no plans to refuel.
“But this information blows even that crazy story out of the water.” See how easily people assume there is no forgery? With this man and his army of goons, assume nothing honest from him or them.
I had seen the original announcements posted at TD’s but the problem with the story that the Dept of Vital Stats got the info from the hospitals is based on what happens now. Even the papers couldn’t say with a certainty that such was the case in 1961, they quoted an employee who worked at the paper years later. The mere action of someone registering a birth with Vital Stats would also generate a birth announcement.
I think 1 and 2 would be related in the scenario of someone inserting the information ex post facto. Even at that point of coverup, they may not have known what the final name was going to be, hah hah... ;-)
Thanks for the posting. I was trying to make sense of the very strange dates of January 9th and January 16th.
I hadn't considered that they'd try to access and alter or replace the original microfiche film. The microfiche image posted online looked like a clumsy forgery; note the two lines immediately to the right of the Obama announcement and how they are to the left of and out of alignment with all text above and below them. I had thought that someone had taken a real microfiche image and altered only the print or digital image of it, not the microfiche itself.
You describe a very interesting scenario with SCOTUS, and I hope it is proven true.
I am looking first towards the 8th to see the actions taken by Congress. Hopefully they will be bombarded with emails, faxes, and phone calls from the 5th through the 7th! We need to remind them of their duty to uphold the Constitution. If they do not verify Obama’s constitutional qualifications to hold the office of President, they will have failed to do their duty. Then, my hope is that SCOTUS steps in as our last chance to preserve the Constitution!
Go here and listen.....especially to part 2.
http://www.plainsradio.com/friday.html
A group of acquaintances (fellow travelers, if you will) in Hawaii filed a FOIA to Stanley Anne Dunham Obama’s medical records in Hawaii.
Surprise! She never was a patient in ANY Hawaiian hospital during all of 1961 when her son was supposedly born there.
However, she was enrolled at the University of Washington, Seattle, WA, for starting classes in Sept. 1961. In late August-early September of 1961, she visited with a high school chum on Whidbey Island, WA, accompanied by her three-week old son, Barry.
Oddly enough, there is a record for the birth of a baby boy, Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama, Jr., to an Anne Dunham Obama, U.S. citizen, and Barack Hussein Obama, British citizen, in British Columbia, Canada, on 14th of August, 1961.
Imagine that?
SatinDoll - can you explain more? Where is the record from? Who saw it? etc? Inquiring minds want to know more!
>>>>>>Oddly enough, there is a record for the birth of a baby boy, Barack Hussein Muhammed Obama, Jr., to an Anne Dunham Obama, U.S. citizen, and Barack Hussein Obama, British citizen, in British Columbia, Canada, on 14th of August, 1961.<<<<<<
Imagine that?
yeah, and it was signed by some cartoon character. I saw that, LOL!
Who is Dolly Doright? (It's a joke, right?)
The birth certificate posted online was a joke signed by none other than Dudley Dooright. I can assure you it was a fake as it was shown as being from “Province of Ontario” for a birth which took place in Vancouver, B.C. This would not happen, each province is responsible for issuing a birth certificate for those born in its province. Someone born in Ontario would have a birth certificate issued by the province of Ontario, while someone born in British Columbia would have a birth certificate issued by the province of British Columbia. The birth certificates are about the size of a driver’s license, with earlier ones encased in plastic. By the 1980’s birth certificates were no longer encased in plastic and doing so would invalidate them. I might also point out that these birth certificates are NOT accepted by various government offices in Canada! If a Canadian applies for a passport or old age pension they must supply the original long form birth certificate!!!!!!!
That’s Dudley Doright, a cartoon R.C.M.P. character. Google Dudley Doright and you will get the picture. Also see my post above yours!
Thanks for the ping!
Has the Vancouver Times birth announcement surfaced yet? LOL
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