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The TRUE definition of a "Natural Born Citizen."
12-16-2008 | unknown

Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b

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To: briarbey b
As repetituous as this post is, you still didn't make your point.

He can NOT POSSIBLY be a "natural born citizen" of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya.

His mother was a citizen. Nobody doubts that. Why doesn't that count?

21 posted on 12/16/2008 5:01:45 PM PST by mlo
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To: briarbey b
"I won't disclose the source as he is out of country and I would be concerned for him."

Good grief. Drama ... catastrophe ... crisis ... national disaster ... birthers.

22 posted on 12/16/2008 5:04:17 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: frog in a pot

Your thoughts?...

The whole thing is so convoluted and no one except Obama has the real story. So many possibilities, there is no way to accurately guess what is on the original BC.

And we should not have to guess he should have shown us the original. Since he refuses to show us any, I repeat any records, of course everyone will make their own guess.


23 posted on 12/16/2008 5:08:53 PM PST by Hang'emAll
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To: briarbey b

I wish this were true, but we all must reluctantly admit that political expediency now trumps constitutionality, and even legality.

For years politicians in border states have left the borders porous because to take any action in accordance with the constitution and the law of the land would cost them votes. Now we have a situation where the Supremes, who are supposedly immune from political considerations, will never uphold the constitution or the law because they are afraid of the race riots and/or open Islamic war that would follow a correct and proper decision.


24 posted on 12/16/2008 5:10:13 PM PST by Bertram3
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To: briarbey b

“Nothing seems right or feels right!!”

It appears history is about to repeat itself. In the 1930’s Mussolini and Stalin were regarded by American “intellects” and the MSM to be brilliant political figures who were leading their nations to wonderful things.

Of course, much of what FDR accomplished is now regarded as being ineffectual or counter-productive. His USSC-packing attempt speaks for itself.

No matter the outcome between now and Jan 20, it seems clear America will have a Marxist president in 2009. I recommend folks step up and become seriously active in politics, it is our opportunity to be patriots.

Plug; see my About page.


25 posted on 12/16/2008 5:10:55 PM PST by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Figures a dumb blonde would pick that small snippet of some pretty intelligent information to comment on!! ;)

EVERY American citizen should be terribly concerned about what they see happening around them. From the election to the stock market, to the economy, the corruption that is being uncovered ect. ect. ect.

OR you can stick your head in the sand and whistle a little tune,pretending none of it is happening.... when it is!!!


26 posted on 12/16/2008 5:19:40 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: frog in a pot

Thanks Frog for that draft on your about page!


27 posted on 12/16/2008 5:25:10 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: briarbey b

If you actually believe that Obama was born in Kenya, all you need to do is file a suit against U.S. Department of State to release Obama’s DS-1350.

If Obama were born in Kenya, to an American mother, he would have a DS-1350.

Why not just get that document and prove to everyone that Obama was born in Kenya?


28 posted on 12/16/2008 5:25:48 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: briarbey b
There is no serious argument that Vattel was a great authority for the Founders however he was a basis not a sole authority. His work, Montesquieu, Puffendorf, and Blackstone were all used for legal matters. Citizenship is not passed only through the father in this day and age and the Constitution does not use gender specific language in any case. Nor would the Founders claim that a child born to an operative in service to nation would lose any of his rights.

Allegiance is the key to being a natural born citizen not geographical proximity. Native born is not the same as Natural born but if you are native born your are natural born as well. McCain is not Native born but his Natural born because of the allegiance of his family as citizens. This is why this case was rejected and because Congress has the ultimate rule on eligibility. Unlike McCain Zero has not presented a BC to a court as far as we know and, hence, we do not know if he is Native born, Natural born or Kenyan born.

29 posted on 12/16/2008 5:28:36 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: trumandogz

I don’t know where he was born. The whole point of the post was the definition of “a NATURAL born citizen.” NOT just a citizen but a NATURAL born citizen. I am that..it is no big deal for me to prove I am that. I was always taught..where you find smoke..you will find fire! I see alot of smoke!!


30 posted on 12/16/2008 5:31:15 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: allmendream

Nice reminder. Thanks for staying on the case. If Zero was born in Hawaii he is eligible. All this other crap does is distract from the real issue. No wonder the Court dropped the case.


31 posted on 12/16/2008 5:31:28 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: briarbey b

Can you point to me where in the Constitution, legislation of case law, where “Natural Born Citizen” is defined?


32 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:15 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: mlo

It counts but not when the mother is under 18. After becoming 18 she could have passed on citizenship to her offspring.


33 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:33 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: briarbey b

LOL ... oh, okay. Since I won’t jump on the dramatic birther bandwagon, I must not care about the economy or any other important issue of the day. Jeez, you guys are simply bizarre ... but entertaining nonetheless.


34 posted on 12/16/2008 5:34:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: arrogantsob
Unlike McCain Zero has not presented a BC to a court as far as we know and, hence, we do not know if he is Native born, Natural born or Kenyan born.

I fear as a country we have been so globally brainwashed it doesn't matter one way or another to most people. Sovereignty is no longer important.

Anyone seen my T.V. remote????

35 posted on 12/16/2008 5:35:33 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: trumandogz
I don't buy that argument, either. His place of birth is important. If he were born in Hawaii, he's a natural-born U.S. citizen. In the United States, citizenship is by location, not blood.
36 posted on 12/16/2008 5:36:13 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Kicking and Screaming into the Kingdom of Heaven! (USCG Aux))
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Thank ya sweetie...but I’m not a guy...just ANOTHER DUMB blonde!! LOL And I have concerns and questions.


37 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:06 PM PST by briarbey b
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To: RobinOfKingston

Under the right circumstances, the horrors we see in the world around us are possible right here.
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Search Stanley Yankus, wheat farmer and read the story of a farmer who left this country for Australia in 1959 because the government, basing their actions on laws passed under FDR, levied fines on him for growing wheat to feed to his own chickens. In truth, the ink was not dry on the newly written constitution before the scoundrels started plotting how to bypass its provisions.


38 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:17 PM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: Bertram3

That is false. This case has been dismissed because it is based upon a misinterpretation of law. It was dead in the water from the beginning. And the claims that the offspring of military families is not Natual born is contemptible.

It is a huge exaggeration scaring people away from this. A riot or two might occur but they can be easily put down and might allow the permanent removal of a lot of riff raff. This is not a serious consideration for the USSC. Certainly not one which would cause it to jettison the constitution.


39 posted on 12/16/2008 5:38:51 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: trumandogz

See #10. A citizen at birth is a Natural born citizen.


40 posted on 12/16/2008 5:41:41 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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