Posted on 12/16/2008 4:19:57 PM PST by briarbey b
It does not appear that Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Alito bought that argument.
He can NOT POSSIBLY be a “natural born citizen” of the US because his father, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, was a Citizen of UK and/or Kenya....
Here is an assumption that could be wrong. Who says that BHO senior is his father? Since we cant see his original typewritten birth documents we don’t know that for a fact.
In fact if he has a different father or no father listed it is a great reason to hide the BC.
The situation we are in right now is a direct and natural consequence of not enforcing other, more minor, laws. The first thing that comes to mind is immigration.
Or his father could be Malcolm X or Storm Thurmond.
That is correct because the Obama Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth that is always referred to is a computer summary document of changes for non-US born citizens, adoptions, error changes based on inputs from relatives etc.
I am greatly grieved by what I see happening to this country and I don’t know what to do!!! All we are founded on is being shredded page by page!! :(
If the Arkansas? congressman is able to pass the natural born citizenship legislation, then obammy will be in trouble going forward.
It doesn’t matter who the father is....obama has a duty to represent himself accurately to voters.
Is it possible to sue the DNC? It seems they are the organization that ‘approved’ him as a candidate. If not sue michelle obama or anyone on his inner circle that knows. Make them cough up information.
Berg was right about one thing, if he was slandering or character defamation on obama then why didn’t he sue to make Berg go away?
You know what else from Switzerland inspired the Framers? Private gun ownership aka The Second Amednment. The Swiss had bows going back to William Tell.
“the Law of nations” has no standings in U.S. law, nor should it.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
I am greatly grieved by what I see happening to this country and I dont know what to do!!! All we are founded on is being shredded page by page!! :( ...
All of us are grieved, who have a sense history, a love for this country, and understand what negative change will do to this dreamland.
Gotta LOVE the Swiss...Hitler hit a wall with them!!
Does anyone else feel completely stupid and helpless????
I am more than willing to accept Obama as my President but only if it stays within the frame work of our constitution!!
Is it possible to sue the DNC? It seems they are the organization that approved him as a candidate. If not sue michelle obama or anyone on his inner circle that knows...
Unfortunately there is no real legally documented proof. Obama saw to that when he shut down college and state agencies who could produce the proof.
um, some here would disagree with you... just wait!
Stronger legal minds than mine will be here soon to set you straight.
And you can bet the founders knew it too. Over and over we see examples where they relied on the important, contemporaneous works of the day, Adam Smith, John Locke, etc.
Vattels “Law of Nations” is THE treatise on international relations and obligations.
I understand your words. I have asked many people I have met in the last several years, “How is America different than other nations?”
Our founding documents? Perhaps, for now, but, they are aging slowly to dust.
Our citizenry? They have just voted a catastrophe into the White Hut. Consider all the “Chicago” people he is appointing. Given the news lately, does that give anyone confidence?
Do a search on Cathy Buckle and read about how human beings clinically indistinguishable from Americans are faring.
Under the right circumstances, the horrors we see in the world around us are possible right here.
At the root of it, how do we differ from all those people killing and being killed in cesspools around the world?
Civilization is indeed a thin veneer.
“In fact if he has a different father or no father listed it is a great reason to hide the BC.”
FWIW, this is what I wrote on another thread:
Why is O spending large sums to avoid disclosing his birth documents? What could be embarrassing about Os birth documents if he was born in Hawaii to Ann and O Sr.?
Based on what we presently are allowed to know, if O was born in Kenya clearly he is not natural born. Os newspaper birth announcement, which states only: Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug 4 indicates O was not the child of two US citizens.
What could be wrong? 1) no father named in the documents; 2) Frank Davis appears as the fathers name; 3) place of birth: Kenya; 4) any combination. Can you think of other embarrassing possibilities?
1) is unlikely given Ann and Sr. lived together before and after the birth and in light of the birth announcement published nine days later;
2) again, inconsistent with 1) above - although this would clumsily provide two (unmarried) parents who were US citizens. Further, even if Ann had relations with Davis long before any with Sr., why would anyone advocate offering the name of a man not ones ostensible husband? There is simply no value in 1961 to the Davis name. Of course, there is value in the Davis name in 2007/8/9 and that may have been part of the self-serving motivation behind Os sponsorship of the 2008 Senate resolution
3) this ought to be embarrassing because its inconsistent with the life story O tells; but, that would be the least of his problems.
Your thoughts?
I don’t understand what is so hard about this??? We have had 43 Presidents before this...has it ever been an issue before? Why do I feel like the sh*t is about to hit the fan??? Nothing seems right or feels right!!
All of this is reasonable except this
I can not ever imagine the US Armed services Officer Core ever challenging the legitimacy of the US President as Commander In Chief.
Other than the President surrendering US Sovereignty to a foreign power it is inconceivable.
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