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To: neverdem
1. Excellent points.

2. You leave out the loser dynamic. Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That's like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game.

Why not start taking pride in Western culture?
Why not resume having more than 1-2 children and resume teaching them about all the good in our history and traditions?
Why not take teaching jobs in the schools to expose other children to the idea that our history and culture are overall good things?

2 posted on 12/14/2008 1:28:19 AM PST by MathDoc (War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Obama is Good.)
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To: MathDoc

it’s hard to be proud of European culture.


4 posted on 12/14/2008 1:49:50 AM PST by ari-freedom (Conservatives solve problems. Libertarians ignore problems. Liberals create problems.)
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To: MathDoc
Why not take teaching jobs in the schools to expose other children to the idea that our history and culture are overall good things?
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This is not the solution. The government schools are utterly liberal/Marxist in their orientation and are legally and officially godless. So?...What happens when conservative and religious people attempt to sneak in a little Christian morality and appreciation of Western Culture?

Answer: They teach all the children that Christian conservatives are sneaky.

Solution:

* Get you own children out of the government schools.

* Encourage your neighbor to do the same.

* Support candidates that promote privatization of universal K-12 education.

* Organize with your neighbors to support all measure that cut off funding to these Marxist government indoctrination camps.

From its very inception, the philosophy that underlies government schools is socialistic. The purpose of government education is the creation of pliable and easily manipulated masses.

Also, government schools and the First Amendment are utterly incompatible.

* As for colleges and universities, conservatives should open new colleges and universities.

* If conservatives give money to existing liberal/Marxist colleges and universities they should pool their gifts together. Large gifts can have big thick strings that demand reform.

* And...Finally, Charles Murray is right. We should move to credentialing and credentialing exams and organizations. Very little of the work done in the U.S. requires a college education.

9 posted on 12/14/2008 2:15:10 AM PST by wintertime
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To: MathDoc

The BIGGEST problem is the ennemy from within and its endless self-denigration-hatred against “western civilization”.
These enemies from within are the best allies of the islamic barbarians...

Therefore it is urgent to locate that enemies and FIGHT THEM AT LAST...
GWBUSH obviously failed in that fight and it paved the way for the OSAMABAMA’s hijacking of USA


18 posted on 12/14/2008 3:00:51 AM PST by Ulysse (.)
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To: MathDoc

Why not start taking pride in Western culture?
It is up to the parents to school thier children on the greatness of this country and its culture at home. The education system is used to propagandise, indoctrinate and rewrite American history. STAND AND FIGHT!


23 posted on 12/14/2008 3:45:15 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Is it time for my medication, reality is starting to set in.)
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To: MathDoc

Not that it really matters because I’d never be able to find the link, but I read a snippet somewhere yesterday that pointed out that the demoralization of the European American is a central tenet of the Obama ideology. And it’s worked and will continue to work in my humble opinion. European Americans have been “set up” for the last 50 years for this. My guess is that many if not most will volontarily take their place at the back of the bus, surrendering their fate to the new masters in charge who seek to rob them of any vestige of liberty, property or wealth and most importantly, opportunity. The remainder I suspect, (hope) will simply elect to get off the bus altogether, exit stage left and make new lives for themselves and their offspring somewhere else away from and out of the gulag that will be ObamaNation.


41 posted on 12/14/2008 5:41:24 AM PST by glide625
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To: MathDoc

...because, as everyone knows, if you are blonde&blue, you are most certainly a racist.


54 posted on 12/14/2008 7:34:18 AM PST by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: MathDoc

“Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That’s like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game”

What’s happening in Europe has no relationship to the game of football. None.
The white/Christian Euros who are not “fighting back” are behaving that way for [either one of] two reasons:

Reason 1:
They are hopelessly liberalized/secularized, and actually have come to believe that embracing the notions of “multiculturalism” will save them. They hope and fantasize that the new hordes of Islamics can yet somehow be pacified, either through “assimilation” [which won’t happen] or by appeasement in the form of housing, benefits, anti-discrimination laws, etc.

Reason 2:
They are realistic in their assessment of the situation before them, and choose to do nothing because they fully understand that those “things they must do” to rectify their dilemma are so extreme as to be unpalatable to their internal constitutions and unacceptable to the outside world. Thus, they resign themselves to their inevitable fate.

Nevertheless, there _are_ those who are “proud of [their] European culture” and who _are_ speaking out and - if given the power to do so - are willing to take those unpalatable actions to drive out the influence of Islam in Western Europe. However, you (and many others here) would be among the first to put down the political groups of which I’m speaking. In England, there is the BNP. In France, there is the National Front. In Austria there is the Austrian Freedom Party (FPO). Denmark has the Danish People’s Party. Belgium has the Vlaams Blok. There is the League of the North in Italy. And there are additional parties in other Western European countries that not only recognize the danger of creeping Islam within their borders, but actively campaign and publicize against the Islamification of Western Europe.

And within EVERY country in which these parties exist, their leaders and members are labeled racists and bigots. Not only are the nationalist parties attacked for their message, they are often the subject of overt attempts to silence them or even ban their participation altogether within the political arena. At the extreme, they are murdered (example: Netherlands politician Pim Fortyn).

I contend that the ONLY political parties that have the potential to save Europe from Islam are indeed these nationalist parties. They understand the threat, speak out, name names and point fingers. They are unafraid to call out Islam on its intents and goals for Europe. And - given the power to do so - I contend they are the ONLY parties in Europe which would take proactive steps to reverse European Islamicization.

Europe cannot be saved by appeasement and by multiculturalism. What will “save” Europe (and by saving it I mean preserving it as a continent ruled and dominated by white/Christians, and where that culture prevails as it has for centuries) will be, can be nothing less than outright racism and discrimination against those who are non-Euro and non-Christian. At the very least, actions which will be called racist and discriminatory.

Those are hard words to speak in a forum dedicated to the notions of freedom. Yet in a reasoned and rational world, when confronted with problems that are all-but insurmountable, one must assess the dangers and forge a pathway forward based on cold-hearted reason. In view of that, I ask anyone reading this: how can ascendant Islam be “reasoned” with? In view of Islam’s history, how were their previous historical “advances” successfully reversed?

In the original article, the author mentions the American native Indians and the Viking invaders. Juxtapose this to Western Europe. It is now the white/Christians who are the “natives”, and the Islamics who are the Vikings. The numbers of the native Christians are shrinking, their will to resist is crumbling, and the strength of the invaders is growing by leaps and bounds - not only by sheer numbers, but in their cultural influence and the willingness to speak in a unified political voice. Given this, what outcome is probable?

I have written before on FreeRepublic, that the white/Christians of Western Europe have only two choices before them:
1. Boxcars, or...
2. Burquas.

If they cannot discover the internal fortitude to choose option #1, they WILL get option #2.

- John


56 posted on 12/14/2008 8:04:49 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: MathDoc
Even those who are proud of European and American culture already see Europe as lost. They look at the growing 5% to 10% muslim minority in Europe and simply give up. That's like a football team ahead 70-0 giving up as soon as the other team scores one touchdown. Our side may have demoralized itself, but that is not an excuse to give up and forfeit the game.

The Muslims in Europe are disproportionately on welfare. The crisis point will arrive when the European middle class can no longer support the Welfare State, or when the survival of the Welfare State necessitates the expulsion of all immigrant welfare recipients.

60 posted on 12/14/2008 8:20:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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