you are really talking about...
...so here is a picture of Dr. Josef Mengele
(without a pancake on his head).
Posted on 12/12/2008 6:09:21 AM PST by NYer
THE Vatican today said life was sacred at every stage of its existence and condemned artificial fertilisation, embryonic stem-cell research, human cloning and drugs which block pregnancy from taking hold.
A long-awaited document on bioethics by the Vatican's doctrinal body also said the so-called "morning after pill" and the drug RU-486, which blocks the action of hormones needed to keep a fertilised egg implanted in the uterus, fall "within the sin of abortion" and are gravely immoral.
"Dignitas Personae" (dignity of a person), an Instruction of Certain Bioethical Questions," is an attempt to bring the Church up to date with recent advances in science and medicine.
It said human life deserved respect "from the very first stages of its existence (and) can never be reduced merely to a group of cells."
"The human embryo has, therefore, from the very beginning, the dignity proper to a person," the docment by the Congregations of the Doctrine of the Faith said.
It said most forms of artifical fertilisation "are to be excluded" because "they substitute for the conjugal act ... which alone is truly worthy of responsible procreation".
It condemned in-vitro fertilisation, saying the techniques "proceed as if the human embryo were simply a mass of cells to be used, selected and discarded."
The highly technical document said only adult stem cell research was moral because embryonic stem cell research involved the destruction of embryos.
In the document, the Vatican also defended its right to intervene on such matters.
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Now, considering that England has government run healthcare, and IVF is paid for by the government... who do you think benefits from extra embryos? Here's a hint... its medical research.
If anything, the disturbing trend to use frozen embryos should scare all of us with government healthcare on the horizon in the US. If they are paying for IVF, you can bet some way, some how, the government will take as many embryos as they want to use for research. THAT should scare you a helluva lot more than families wanting to have children.
Nope. It ends with the fertilization. The evil of IVF is that it invites the born to dehumanize the unborn.
The remaining ones can be frozen in perpetuity, instead of being flushed, in order to satisfy moral obligations expected of us as a society.
How does wrongful perpetual imprisonment satisfy moral obligations?
Discuss the topic at hand, please. If I wanted judgments/ morality lectures, this is not where I'd come to seek them.
I don't know about that. I ask again, what about the terminally ill, under life-support?
Misconception?
LOL
I don't suppose you do.
You mean, that's what you "didn't" imply, when you shouted NAZI?
And now as a n00b you would presume to order me around when your perfidy to the youngest humans is pointed out. typical
bull, many do six, or would the parents who have sextuplets have gotten pregnant 2 or 3 times at the exact same time as they had their 2 implanted?
Even if, as you say, they only implant 2, how many do they create to get those 2 viable? 4,6? What becomes of them, or are they just arbitrary? Any way you slice it, life is created in a lab just to be discarded when the choicest is implanted. It is agregious and disgusting to play God in this fashion and completely selfish and unecessary. We will not agree on our outlook here, time to move on.
I suppose it's safe to presume, with that, you have run out of arguments. Good day!
This misconception is that every woman who does IVF has tons of eggs/embryos. And that is simply not true.
I’m not out of arguments, I simply need no more. You are wrong and I have demonstrated it.
What's typical is your assumed moral superiority that allowed you to throw silly judgmental labels, instead of making good arguments. What's evident, by that, is that you not just lost; you were incapable of winning in the first place.
The issues of LIFE ARE moral issues. Hadn’t you noticed?
In la-la land, perhaps.
Those that are kept frozen and used later have a less than 50% chance of becoming viable.
I wonder what the survival rate was at Auschwitz.
You mean 'conception', right?
I realize it is over your head, but, well, that’s the point: It’s over your head.
So is the right to have biological progeny. Haven't you noticed? It's not merely a right- it's the driving force of all life on this planet. Ignore at your own peril.
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