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Mitt Romney on the Media (NRO cruise video)
Youtube (video from NRO cruise) ^ | Dec. 1, 2008 | Mitt Romney & Brent Bozell

Posted on 12/09/2008 2:59:59 PM PST by Rameumptom

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To: Edit35
My point was that Romney was the most viable and most enthusiastic promoter of conservative thought and values among the field of Republicans in 2008 ..... with "viable" being the operative word.

You see here is where the issue is, where the rubber hits the road so to speak. I agree with you that Mitt has done a good and even at times excellent job promoting conservative THOUGHT and VALUES. (viablity is another issue I have covered before)

But edit, it is ACTIONS that are the only thing that COUNTS in a politician, and when it comes to his political history, Mitt has failed that test numerous times when it COUNTED...

So then what good are the words no mater how eloquently spoken, or beautiful portrayed?

141 posted on 12/14/2008 2:03:18 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: ansel12
We both know that isn’t the the reality and the fact that you keep playing that line makes you sound like a man with an agenda.

Sound like? ;-)

142 posted on 12/14/2008 2:06:32 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: Edit35
Only that he governed a very liberal state from a moderately conservative stance.

Sounds like compromise to me.

143 posted on 12/14/2008 4:45:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Edit35
The anti-Romney obsession resulted in an Obama presidency for four, and perhaps eight years.

WRONG!

The Unknown Obama, the Unknowing electorate, the All Encompassing media blitz, the Overwhelming mocking of Conservative/Republican candidates resulted in an Obama presidency; for... who knows?

(I wonder why Palin's CHURCH caught fire?)

144 posted on 12/14/2008 4:49:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Edit35
Anyone with a clear headed view of the political landscape in 2008 could have seen McCain was a loser from the get go.

Likewise...

Anyone with a clear headed view of the past election season can see that Romney IS a loser. Why try him again?

If his RELIGION is REALLY the reason people rejected him; do you think that 4 years of Mormon evangelism can over come that?

If his POLITICS are really the reason folks rejected him; do you think that 4 years of trying to appear to be on the RIGHT side of the issues will engender him a victory in 2012?

If his PERSONAL qualities are what shot him down, do you think that 4 years of ??? will keep him fresh after SNL, Al Franken, the Late-night 'comedians' get through with him?


Give it up. Put out to pasture. Let him stud for other Republicans if you wish.

145 posted on 12/14/2008 4:57:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ejonesie22

Actually, what day is it today? December 14th? At least it proves I give it a rest. November 26 was a few weeks ago, time flies.


146 posted on 12/14/2008 9:25:32 AM PST by rodeo-mamma
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To: Elsie
do you think that 4 years of trying to appear to be on the RIGHT side of the issues(?)

Who appointed you God the Almighty arbitor, that you can can read Romney's mind and heart and claim definitively that he is not sincere about becomimg more conservative?

How come you don't have this viceral spiteful attitude against President nominee George Herbert Walker Bush, who was ProCHOICE until becoming VP nominee for Reagan in 1980??

The great Ronald Reagan signed legislation in 1967 that expanded abortion tenfold. Is Reagan also a jerk bogus flip flopper in your eyes?

I too as a teen was more liberal, and have become a dedicated conservative Christian ....

Am I also a jerk flip flopper in your eyes?

These spiteful attitudes I read on FR do the conservative movement no good. It simply drives people away, especially those who have matured and grown more conservative as they grow up.

As for specifics, can you name me specific legislation Romney introduced that would make homosexual agenda the law of Massachusetts? Or any pro abortion Romney introduced?

147 posted on 12/14/2008 10:24:22 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: Elsie
(I wonder why Palin's CHURCH caught fire?)

My bet is that ultra leftist Palin haters tossed flammable liquid on the back of the church, and set it ablaze due to deep seated hatred of the Christian values Sarah represents.

148 posted on 12/14/2008 10:27:18 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: ejonesie22
it is ACTIONS that are the only thing that COUNTS in a politician..

Please recount these far-left "actions" you say Romney enacted as Governor.

149 posted on 12/14/2008 10:29:56 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: ejonesie22
Mitt, with an almost 4 to 1 money advantage in many cases could never close the deal anywhere..

I'm not saying Romney ran a great primary campaign...

I'm saying that, amongst the Republican candidates in the primary, Romney had the best chance of winning the general election... due to a variety of factors.

Money isn't the be all and end all of political campaigns.

The dozens of great conservative pundits and thinkers I've already named knew instinctively (as did I) that McCain would never attract enough cross-over votes to win... he NEVER had the motivation, drive, or personality necessary to win the general election (not to mention McCain's old-as-dirt age, boring white bread Washington insider liberal mentality)

Nor would Mike Huckabee, who is a great guy, but also didn't have the mainstream GOP (or conservative Democrat) support necessary to win the General Election.

Romney, like it or not, was the only one capable of winning.

150 posted on 12/14/2008 10:43:22 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: rodeo-mamma

And your post was a few days ago. Time is not that fast even when working that agenda...


151 posted on 12/14/2008 11:56:50 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: Edit35
Doesn't have to be “far left” to not be conservative, indeed you often see me talk about Mitt's “M-word” problem, not Mormon, but Moderate.

Now that we have settled that, we can start with health care...

152 posted on 12/14/2008 12:00:27 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: Edit35
I think Mitt's ability to win is more than debatable. Indeed I think, for better or worse, McCain with help form Palin, did better than Mitt would have in the general. At least with Palin he pulled in a lot of Conservatives that would have otherwise sat out.

Of course this still begs the question of why any Conservative, especially those claim to have picked Mitt (in their opinion)as the best of a bad field in 08 are now trying to sell him for 2012, a race whose field is far from determined.

Very contradictory, either it's evidence of gross ignorance or an agenda, and very few of you guys strike me as being stupid...

153 posted on 12/14/2008 12:09:33 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: rodeo-mamma

Yes, my post was a few days ago, but the other one you were talking about was over two weeks ago. Stop going out of your way to find ways to make me look bad. It’s not fair.


154 posted on 12/14/2008 3:03:09 PM PST by rodeo-mamma
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To: Edit35
Am I also a jerk flip flopper in your eyes?

Do you really have to assume someone who has a lack of enthusiasm for Mitt thinks you a bad person for having it?

155 posted on 12/14/2008 6:04:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Edit35
How come you don't have this viceral spiteful attitude against President nominee George Herbert Walker Bush, who was ProCHOICE until becoming VP nominee for Reagan in 1980??

Since it is not prove that I have that attitude towards Mitt; what has that to do with the fact I've said nothing about Bush?

Lame ducks can still quack!

156 posted on 12/14/2008 6:05:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Edit35
Romney, like it or not, was the only one capable of winning.

Romney, like it or not, was NOT the only one capable of LOSing.

157 posted on 12/14/2008 6:07:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rodeo-mamma
I haven’t said a word about Palin in at least a few weeks.

VS

...but the other one you were talking about was over two weeks ago.

Hum, seems I don't have to "go out of my way" to find things that make you look "bad", you serve it up quite readily...

158 posted on 12/14/2008 6:14:36 PM PST by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 11-4-2012)
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To: Elsie
Do you really have to assume someone who has a lack of enthusiasm for Mitt thinks you a bad person for having it?

It is quixotic to the extreme for a segment of FR conservatives to constantly heap derision and slander on a candidate simply because that person becomes MORE conservative.

People evolve their politics all the time .. but for some reason Romney seems to spark obsessively hateful responses.

As a solid Christian and a conservative Republican, it really irks me to see this type of vicious attacks on a good an decent man.

Scuze me for caring about how we are perceived as a political movement.

159 posted on 12/14/2008 6:53:33 PM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: Edit35
It is quixotic to the extreme for a segment of FR conservatives to constantly heap derision and slander on a candidate simply because that person becomes MORE conservative.

It puzzles me why some folks are so upset that others here point out that their man wasn't as 'conservative' as they were led to believe. It riles me to have those same people call it HATE merely because they show flipping on long held positions: positions, that a life long Mormon, running as a 'conservative', should have never had to being with.

160 posted on 12/15/2008 4:10:51 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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