Posted on 12/09/2008 12:32:05 AM PST by marthemaria
36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter — for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God.
No, I imagine - and see the evidence over and over in different places, reported by different observers, including myself - that the Designer created and used evolution as a tool, just as He created and used the laws of physics to form the universe.
“This means that if you’re not an ape, you’re not human...by definition. So what are you, exactly? Enquiring minds want to know!”
“Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness,...”
I am whatever God says I am. And I don’t need a mans definition to make me feel all warm inside.
There is humankind and there is ape-kind and a million other species. Your compelling term “by definition” of what humans ‘are’ is nothing more than men attempting drag and drop all species where they THINK they belong. By NO means - does this imply men ‘thinking’ has anything to do with God CREATING! This is not something I need to learn. You need to learn that humans don’t have all the answers - even when we THINK we do.
“But I do enjoy the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie series! And I’m certain you do too! But I do enjoy the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie series! And I’m certain you do too! But I do enjoy the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie series! And I’m certain you do too! But I do enjoy the ‘Planet of the Apes’ movie series! And I’m certain you do too!”
I must ask - is your record scratched? Or your needle worn out?
Perhaps you should study how mtDNA descent works, and what the studies have actually shown. And don't trust AIG for an accurate answer.
Perhaps this article will help.
Yeah, I should accept YOUR source over mine...
because we know that you’re only interested in objectivity.
because we know that you’re only interested in objectivity.
Research it anywhere you want, but you really should stay away from those creationist websites if you want accurate information about science. They have a horrible record of distortion, omission, and outright lying about any scientific data that contradicts their religious beliefs.
I’d take your advice... if I had an axe to grind against Christianity. But... I don’t.
You really should take the time to research this issue and see where the facts really are.
Facts are facts; they have no axes. But they can be pesky little things at times. Take a look at some neutral sites on this 6,000 year old claim and see what you find.
Huxley was not only wrong about Theology, he was wrong about the Catholic church, on this matter and on all others apparently.
Yes indeed, I am also a big fan of Paul Johnson. I have been collecting his works for years, though I haven’t got them all.
I keep on sending people to “Modern Times”.
Revelation and Daniel are prophetic books, the details of which are being fulfilled in our time. Isaiah is the book written by God through the prophet Isaiah that primarily deals with ancient Israel, with some chapters devoted to the birth of Jesus, the Messiah, which was fulfilled hundreds of years later and detailed in the book of Matthew.
The prophetic books literally foretell events which will happen and a lot of which are happening here and now.
His source is talkorgins.org
He has been busted using that atheist propaganda site so many times you think he might catch on.
I don’t even read his stuff, I know what he’s about, and whom he serves, even if he doesn’t know it or acknowledge it.
Is your mind so closed that you are afraid to even read something that might upset your beliefs? If so, that is truly sad. A mind should never be so closed, nor a belief so fragile, that it is afraid of new information.
Since you say you don't read what I post, this is directed to the lurkers. From Wiki:
Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the woman who is defined as the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) for all currently living humans. Passed down from mother to offspring, her mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is now found in all living humans: every mtDNA in every living person is derived from hers. Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived at different times.She is believed to have lived about 140,000 years ago in what is now Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania. The time she lived is calculated based on the molecular clock technique of correlating elapsed time with observed genetic drift.
Mitochondrial Eve is the MRCA of all humans via the mitochondrial DNA pathway, not the unqualified MRCA of all humanity. All living humans can trace their ancestry back to the MRCA via at least one of their parents, but Mitochondrial Eve is defined via the maternal line. Therefore, she necessarily lived at least as long, though likely much longer, ago than the MRCA of all humanity.
The existence of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam does not imply the existence of population bottlenecks or a first couple. They each may have lived within a large human population at a different time.
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You’re trying too hard to be critical about a matter about which you don’t know the facts. Why do you suppose that you are more willing to think badly of the President?
Repeatedly, I’ve mentioned at least one non-literal idea that has cause severe rifts in our Body (at least as bad as the circumcisors). Are the four corners of the earth are literal?
I am whatever God says I am. And I don’t need a mans definition to make me feel all warm inside. There is humankind and there is ape-kind and a million other species. Your compelling term “by definition” of what humans ‘are’ is nothing more than men attempting drag and drop all species where they THINK they belong. By NO means - does this imply men ‘thinking’ has anything to do with God CREATING! This is not something I need to learn. You need to learn that humans don’t have all the answers - even when we THINK we do.
This is fascinating. I've never had a discussion with someone who rejected Linnaean taxonomy on philosophical basis! I'm curious just how far you take this. We've established that you don't think that you're a hominid (family: hominidae). Do you also deny being:
a) A primate (order: primates)?
b) A mammal (class: mammalia)?
c) An animal (kingdom: anamalia)?
d) A eukaryote (domain: eukarya)?
I must ask - is your record scratched? Or your needle worn out?
This illustrates the dangers of cutting & pasting without proofreading. Don't Let It Happen To You!
All humans are apes. Therefore, anything that is not an ape is not human.
Where's the error?
No one is above the laws of God, and no one who holds himself out as a believer in Jesus Christ and who has declared to the world that he is a believer in Jesus Christ is above criticism when he states publicly, never mind even thinks that the God-breathed, inerrant, Word of the Living God is not factual and true. If the Scriptures are not true, then a lot of us are in a lot of trouble, God is a liar, His promises are lies, those of us who have trusted in him for our salvation and our eternal security were lied to and are doomed, and we can depend on Him for nothing. But, in his quest to keep people away from God, and away from salvation, Satan has done a marvelous job in putting doubt in the minds of many, even many "Christians" that the Scriptures just might not be literally true. Because, the thinking goes, if the Bible is not true, then the parts about a day of reckoning, and the part about every knee bowing before God and admitting that He is Lord, and the part about many people rejecting Christ and suffering the penalty for that rejection must not be true either and that lets me off the hook. Satan is brilliant, isn't he?
It all comes back to what I said originally: apart from a relationship with Jesus Christ, and apart from the revealing work of the Holy Spirit, it is impossible for men to understand the Word of God.
As far as "the four corners of the earth", God refers to this several times in Scripture. Are you open to the possibility that there are realities out there that we are not privy to yet? And maybe never? Are you open to the fact that when God said "my thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways" He meant that in many different ways? Are you open to accepting the fact that we are the creation, and severely limited in our understanding of most of the physical world, never mind all of what God has created and all of what He thinks?
I am continually amazed at the arrogance of puny mankind that results in the belief that if we can't see it or touch it or explain it that it doesn't exist. Instead of marveling at a God Who would even acknowledge our existence after our horrific rebellions and offenses against Him; instead of falling on our faces and worshiping a God Who has such a love that He would die in our place to keep us out of eternal damnation and with Him for eternity, we shake our fists in His face and declare His Holy Word a book of fairy tales because in our finite, dumb little minds, we can't understand it.
It's simply mind-boggling.
Only a few humans have all the answers. Apparently those who are born to the correct religion.
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