[Cringing Negativism Network]

Suggested fill-ins for “bleeping”:

“Missing”.

“Hidden”.

[TheBattman]

My question... If the constitution lays out the citizenship requirements, then why is there no path of verification? Is it an “honor system”. IF it is, that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard... since when has politician and honor been allowed in the same sentence?

[plain talk]

In fact, every candidate from Hilary Clinton to Rudy Giuliani should have been required to produce their certificates when filing as candidates.

No! I detest brainless rules-based approaches like this. It's almost like we don't want to single out Obama. Yes we do. Most Presidential candidates have established family histories in this country and producing documentation is unnecessary. Obama does NOT have established family history in this country which in of itself is a problem for someone wanting to become President of this great country. I can't believe they essentially elected a foreigner for this office.

[babygene]

If the courts will not uphold the Constitution, the people have a responsibility to do it them selves...

[seowulf]

As a federal employee I had to produce my certified birth certificate, fingerprints, subject myself to an FBI background investigation (and every five years thereafter), submit to a polygraph test at my employer’s request, submit to drug testing at my employer’s request, report any planned trips outside of the country to security personnel, and give an outbrief to security. I am also forbidden to hold a passport other than that of the United States, or to hold dual citizenship.

Some people are just more equal than others I suppose.

[nathanbedford]

I have several times posted my belief that the Obama vault certificate should be produced. I come to this belief along the same lines as the author, that is, the constitutional requirement for the office must be observed and there must be a remedy(a right which can be vindicated) in the public to see that its constitution is being observed.

We have for a couple of generations now thought only of the court as the place to have these rights vindicated. The Court has often dodged these cases when it finds them inconvenient by finding that the supplicant does not have "standing." I think there is a very high probability the court will dismiss all of these cases on the issue of standing. I say this even though I am aware that there are at least two cases which come at the matter from a different angle which might somehow provide standing. Standing here being defined as an interest in the petitioner which is concrete and explicit enough that the court should hear his claim.

There is however another means for the court to dodge this case which has troubled me from the very beginning. The court might well hold that there are other venues for these matters to be determined. First there is the matter of the secretaries of state of the individual states acting to remove from the ballot someone who is disqualified. Second, there is the possibility that the court might dump this off on some agency like the Federal Election Commission. Third, the court might hold that the matter should be decided by the electoral College saying that this is essentially a political question for them. Fourth, the court might hold this is a matter to be determined by the Senate and the House of Representatives, again, declaring this to be a political question.

These are ready exits to the court if they decide to call this a political question and not a legal controversy.

[Sen Jack S. Fogbound]

The “We the People” made the Constitution to limit the Federal Government as to how it is to govern and coin money. It also devised the Judiciary to oversee the Executive and the Legislative.

We also have the right to change the government to any form we want.

We are the employer and have the right to demand proof that the person applying to be the President is qualified to our satisfation.

The Federal Government has forgotten a long time ago who is the boss in this great country of ours.

[freespirited]

It seems to me that the state of Hawaii's argument rests on the notion that the birth cert is tantamount to medical records and therefore covered by confidentiality laws. I think this absurd on its face. Medical records involve assessment of health and diagnosis of disease. The time and place of one's birth is obviously not in the same category and to assert it has the same protection makes no sense.

What else on the cert could require such secrecy? The doctor's name? Absurd. The names of one's parents? I suppose that could be something a few people wish to keep quiet. But one does not ordinarily think of this as the kind of information that must be sealed from public view.

Obama has created the appearance he is hiding something. By invoking this phony argument of confidentiality, the state of Hawaii creates the appearance that it, too, is trying to help him hide something on the birth certificate.

[Yaelle]

So many attorneys and legal eagles are finding this a fascinating issue, which it is.

If it is produced and everything is in order, the case disappears along with the conspiracy theorists and the office of the presidency goes on without a hitch. If it is not produced, the potential for future complications could be very significant. We might even end up with President Ahhnold, who could claim that he wasn’t really born in Austria, and that he doesn’t have to prove he was born here.

This is absolutely possible if Obama is never vetted and serves 4 or 8 years as President.

[rawcatslyentist]

>"If Obama supporters are allowed to investigate and report on “Joe the Plumber” with impunity, the public has an equal and reciprocal right to investigate a candidate"

Hear! hear!!!!

Bambi is already in above his pay grade!

[missnry]

[cake_crumb]

Remember when the Democrats demanded President Bush’s dental records?

[gunnyg]

present

[jalisco555]

Why are so many people so anxious to make Joe Biden president?

I've refrained from commenting on these threads in the past but really, there is no court in America that will hold Obama ineligible to be President. He's taking office January 20, we need to deal with that and not be sidetracked by non-starters like this.

[org.whodat]

Paul Berg isn’t entirely a crackpot,

Cannot prove that, but the statement does indicate he is somewhat of a crackpot, are maybe he is just a little cracked. Probably delivered by c-section that's not natural.!!!

LOL

[jalisco555]

Paul Berg isn’t entirely a crackpot.

I believe he's a 9/11 Truther. Makes him a crackpot by definition.

[bvw]

In the process of law, today,

• Oliver L. Brown would have no standing.
• Rosa Parks would have no standing.
• Dred Scott would have no standing.

[Waco]

Is the court to stupid to ask 0 to produce a BC, just to see if he suddenly develops a medical condition that requires him to step away for the good of the country without ever showing the BC?

[Mancolicani]

“..........t will likely become the core of another Great American Conspiracy Theory such as those surrounding the death of John F. Kennedy.......”

Close but not quite. It’s as if the true and final answer to who killed Kennedy and why, the full story, were behind a closed door, but on a technicality that door was kept locked. Not every element exists to solve the Kennedy story, but from the get-go every element exists to settle the Obama imbroglio.

Opening the Obama door now would send the country into an uproar. The Judges would never be able to pass a “serene” judgment. The culprit was that lower judge who decided that “we the people” have no standing. For self-evident reasons, this question should have been settled before the election, perhaps even before the primaries, but definitely before the General Election.

Instead they were asleep and the Mack Daddy played the law like a fiddle

[janee]

First saying thank YOU for your service. Keep in your prayers my cousin MIA Laos 1971 (Wall 2 W Row 31.

To the curent topic, has anyone asked if the BC contains info that he was adopted? There is some reason that BC is not available. Is he who he says he is? For not coughing up the BC I consider him a lie!