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To: wndawmn666

“None of them can be President. They are all ‘citizens of the United States’. None are natural born citizens.”

But people born on U.S. soil to one foreign parent ARE natural born citizens. I think you’re too clever by half with this 14th amendment issue. Obviously, the citizenship qualifications of the 14th amendment are not equivalent for the qualifications to be president, since they include naturalized citizens, who definitely are not elligible to be president.

However, if the 14th amendment says people born on U.S. soil to one foreign parent are citizens, then people born on U.S. soil to one foreign parent ARE natural born citizens. How do I know? There are only two types of citizens: natural born and naturalized. If you are born a citizen, you are a natural born citizen.


547 posted on 12/04/2008 11:12:39 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

No, not ALL people born in the United States are NATURAL BORN citizens.

Please read the following carefully:

NO 14th Amendment citizen can be President. Regardless of HOW they achieve their citizenship. 14th Amendment citizenship is given under MULTIPLE circumstances.

People BORN in the United States to one US citizen are ‘citizens of the United States’ as defined in the 14th Amendment. Barack Obama has said he’s a 14th Amendment citizen. This is because he was BORN in the United States to ONE US citizen and ONE UK citizen.

People NATURALIZED in the United States are ‘citizens of the United States’ as defined in the 14th Amendment.

It is the SAME ‘level’ of citizenship given under different circumstances.

Please read the 14th Amendment. It grants the same level of ‘citizenship’ to those BORN OR NATURALIZED in the United States, AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

One must be either:

Born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof (Barack)

Naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof (Arnold).

They are BOTH recognized as Citizens of the United States under the 14th Amendment.

NEITHER can be President.

Just like an anchor baby couldn’t be President. They get their 14th Amendment citizenship from merely being BORN in the United States. Well, provided they aren’t any of the following:

(1) Children born to foreign diplomats
(2) Children born to enemy forces engaged in hostile occupation of the country’s territory
(3) Indians

The three listed about do not achieve US citizenship by merely being born in the United States because they are not ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’.

‘Subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ means COMPLETE jurisdiction of the United States.

The US has complete jurisdiction over Barack upon birth because he was none of the three things listed above.

The US has complete jurisdiction over an anchor baby that is none of the three things listed above.

The US has complete jurisdiction over Arnold because he is naturalized.

All three were born OR naturalized in the United States AND all three were ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ but NONE can be President.

They are ALL Citizens of the United States as recognized by the 14th Amendment.

Same level of citizenship for them all, regardless of how they got it.


566 posted on 12/05/2008 7:31:58 AM PST by wndawmn666
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