Mormons are not "Orthodox Christians" because we do not believe in the Trinity and we do not trace our authority to the Catholic church, nor do we claim that all Christians have the authority to go start their own church... [DelphiUser]
Don't stop there with the key distinctions...
...how about that Mormons believe in many gods?...
...that Mormons trace their "authority" to what was revealed to a 14 yo lad (or 16 depending on which version of his "first vision" you believe in)...
...that Mormons believe their elder spirit brothers from a spiritual pre-existence were Jesus and Lucifer...
...that Mormons believe that father-god was once a man...
...that Mormons believe they, too, either are already gods or can become one...
Mormons believe that all who believe in and accept as their savior Jesus Christ are Christians. [DelphiUser]
Yes, but then on the basis of Joseph Smith's first vision, found in Mormon scripture Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-20... it proceeds to label these Christians as "corrupt" (all of them); and as having 100% creeds which are supposedly an "abomination" unto the Mormon god.
We believe they have not had the full truth available to them... [DelphiUser]
Well, how nice of you to slander the Bible as being less-than-forthright of God's prime AND comprehensive truths! (Need we call any more Mormon witnesses to the stand than somebody who slyly yet openly condemns the supposed "shortcomings" of the Holy Bible???)
DU:
Mormons are not "Orthodox Christians" because we do not believe in the Trinity and we do not trace our authority to the Catholic church, nor do we claim that all Christians have the authority to go start their own church...
Colofornian:
Don't stop there with the key distinctions...
I'll do my best:
Colofornian:
...how about that Mormons believe in many gods?...
As many as the Bible defines in
1 correnthians 8:5, however, we only worship the god of Abraham, and of Issac and of Jacob, he is our God.
Colofornian:
...that Mormons trace their "authority" to what was revealed to a 14 yo lad (or 16 depending on which version of his "first vision" you believe in)...
Actually, if anyone cares to actually
read the account, Joseph smith was in his fifteenth year (fourteen to those who don't know), and it's clear the revelations came from God to Joseph.
Colofornian:
...that Mormons believe their elder spirit brothers from a spiritual pre-existence were Jesus and Lucifer...
We believe what Jesus said in
john 20:17, however, we recognize that Jesus is the only begotten of the father, we are not his children in the flesh but spiritually, thus Jesus is indeed our brother for we share the same father but in a different way than is "normal". We simply believe what Jesus said about it.
Colofornian:
...that Mormons believe that father-god was once a man...
That is a logical conclusion, but it is not "doctrine". The conclusion is based on the promise in the bible that
we can become heirs to the kingdom then it is logical that God may have inherited the kingdome the same way, but it's just a theory.
Colofornian:
...that Mormons believe they, too, either are already gods or can become one...
That's because, the Bible says so...
Romans 8:16-17. if you are an heir to the kingdom of God...
DU:
Mormons believe that all who believe in and accept as their savior Jesus Christ are Christians.
Colofornian:
Yes, but then on the basis of Joseph Smith's first vision, found in Mormon scripture Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, verses 18-20... it proceeds to label these Christians as "corrupt" (all of them); and as having 100% creeds which are supposedly an "abomination" unto the Mormon god.
The creed is condemned, The teachers of the creed are condemned because they are leading people astray, the people who have been misled by it need to repent of this herisy.
du:
We believe they have not had the full truth available to them...
Colofornian:
Well, how nice of you to slander the Bible as being less-than-forthright of God's prime AND comprehensive truths! (Need we call any more Mormon witnesses to the stand than somebody who slyly yet openly condemns the supposed "shortcomings" of the Holy Bible???)
Is the Bible perfect and inerrant? The book fo momron is not either. They were both perfect as they came from the lips of God to his prophets. Men have done their imperfect best to translate the Bible from it's native tongues. Other men have done their imperfect best to preserve those texts. As soon as you run a perfect work through imperfect men you get an imperfect work. Earlier in this thread an anti-Mormon said it was not demeaning to speak the truth.
There are error in the bible, but they are the fault of men, even men who did their best are not perfect for there is only one perfect, and he has not yet returned to us.
CF, I find it amazing that you and those on your side will employ tactics that;
A) could be employed against any religion (like saying things they believe in a way to make them seem un-biblical, when they clearly are Biblical)
B) would have you howling for blood if used on you.
C) are so Christlike that you cannot pretend to be charitable while saying them.
Have a good night CF