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Obama Fomenting A Constitutional Crisis: Constitutional Lawyer Discusses Ramifications
The Bulletin ^ | 12/1/08 | John Connolly

Posted on 12/01/2008 6:04:32 AM PST by pissant

Controversy continues to surround President-elect Barack Obama's eligibility to serve as president, and a case involving his birth certificate waits for its day before the U.S. Supreme Court. A constitutional lawyer said were it to be discovered that Mr. Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen, it would have grave consequences for the nation.

According to the Constitution, a president must be a natural born citizen of the U.S. Mr. Obama's critics have failed to force him legally to produce his original birth certificate, and Mr. Obama has resisted any attempt to make him do so. Currently, only Hawaii Department of Health officials have access to Mr. Obama's original records.

Some of Mr. Obama's critics have said he was born in Kenya and have claimed he is a citizen of Kenya, Indonesia, or even a British subject.

Edwin Vieira, a constitutional lawyer who has practiced for 30 years and holds four degrees from Harvard, said if it were to be discovered Mr. Obama were not eligible for the presidency, it would cause many problems. They would be compounded if his ineligibility were discovered after he had been in office for a period of time.

"Let's assume he wasn't born in the U.S.," Mr. Vieira told The Bulletin. "What's the consequence? He will not be eligible. That means he cannot be elected validly. The people and the Electoral College cannot overcome this and the House of Representatives can't make him president. So what's the next step? He takes the oath of office, and assuming he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

Any appointments made by an ineligible president would have to be recalled, and their decisions would be invalidated.

(Excerpt) Read more at thebulletin.us ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: bcrepository; birthcertificate; certifgate; certifigate; democrats; larrysinclairslover; obama; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; repository; stbc; vieira
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To: sickoflibs; arrogantsob

Bush v. Gore was a slam-dunk 14th Amendment case ... 7-2

If you think otherwise, talk to Breyer and Souter - libs who voted with the majority.

Why wasn’t it 5-4? Ginsberg and Stevens were chicken sh*ts who COULD NOT bring themselves to vote for the GOP ...


401 posted on 12/01/2008 8:56:45 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: Radix

Some of us are trying to determine exactly how the Constitution would handle such an issue. And it is clear that Obama’s disqualification would not affect Biden. It matters not how he was nominated only that he was legitimately on the state ballots.


402 posted on 12/01/2008 8:57:00 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: sickoflibs

There is no chance of Obama-Palin.

The other could be called the Infuriation Administration.


403 posted on 12/01/2008 8:58:19 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: reed13
Still must obtain the 270 electoral votes required.

The 270 is not relevant if the "winner" is disqualified. Its the person with the next highest number of votes. Article XII (12) of the US Constitution. Its on-line for everyone to read.

404 posted on 12/01/2008 8:59:52 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Lmo56

Thank you - in my fevered imagination I thought something was supposed to happen in the SCOTUS today.


405 posted on 12/01/2008 9:02:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: arrogantsob
BTW, arrogant ass, here's the actual statement portion relevant to your asshat assertion:

Director of Health for the State of Hawaii , Chiyome Fukino: "There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i."

406 posted on 12/01/2008 9:02:19 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: arrogantsob

If this is thrown into the HOuse it can only vote for those receiving EVs for president. This means McCain.

CORRECT !!!


407 posted on 12/01/2008 9:02:40 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: MHGinTN

Um, that should read “BTW, ‘arrogant sob’ ...” too many threads to follow, too little time and too few hands to type with.


408 posted on 12/01/2008 9:04:17 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Lmo56

That 7-2 is why I do not rule out the USSC doing the right thing if it must.


409 posted on 12/01/2008 9:05:59 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: arrogantsob

That 7-2 is why I do not rule out the USSC doing the right thing if it must.

Me too ...


410 posted on 12/01/2008 9:07:28 PM PST by Lmo56
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To: pissant

This high falutin Harvard lawyer is saying basically the same thing we freepers have been saying for months. But we’ve been called lunatics. This is the big signal to the MSM that this is not a fringe issue.


411 posted on 12/01/2008 9:07:32 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: MHGinTN

OK the point is that it will be more difficult to create a fraudulent document now that everyone is aware of what is going on. Too many eyes.

I forgot the latest twist on the Lingle story. Probable the intention of the propaganda campaign posting the fraudulent story that Lingle had stepped in. Like the non-existent Virginia case declaring Zero eligible.


412 posted on 12/01/2008 9:10:10 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: April Lexington
If it goes to the House, they must choose from the 3 runners-up who had the most Electoral Votes. Since only McCain had any EVs, he would win by default. The electoral vote for VP is held seperately and Biden would become the VP, the office for which he is a candidate.
413 posted on 12/01/2008 9:11:28 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: shooter223
Amendment 20 Section 3

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So clear on its face. The drafters of this amendment and the many states that ratified it were anticipating the day when a president shall fail to qualify.

How can America just look the other way? If the constitution is no longer valid, the Federal income tax provision is no longer valid, the Thirteenth Amendment banning slavery is no longer valid, etc... where does this stop? What ever happened to a Nation ruled by law and not by men?

SCOTUS.... wake up!!!

414 posted on 12/01/2008 9:12:14 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: theBuckwheat

The Civil Right struggle was about Power....purely and simply Black Power


415 posted on 12/01/2008 9:12:25 PM PST by Postman
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because 365 of the Electoral College electors are Democrats committed to voting for Obama. If not him then they'll vote for Biden.
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Or Hillary. Unless the SCOTUS rules that the runner up McCain is qualified to serve (we are still in deep doo doo; but, its OUR doo doo!).

416 posted on 12/01/2008 9:14:06 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

Where does it stop? ... I drink to that.


417 posted on 12/01/2008 9:14:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: pissant

It just amazes me how many posters on this thread have not actually READ the constitution. Its free! Read it. Then post!


418 posted on 12/01/2008 9:17:08 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: arrogantsob
Getting tighter and bigger than the Gordian 'Not'. ;^)
419 posted on 12/01/2008 9:21:05 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: AU72
believe it is strongly possible that if SCOTUS rules on Obama being ineligible and the DNC instructs the electors to vote for him anyway, the Congress would certify the results claiming they have the final say on eligibility.

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I'd like to thank our friends and countrymen, the Democrats, for destroying our constitutional form of government. Its now rule by men, not by law.

We are witnessing a bloodless coup. Our nation destroyed before our very eyes while crybaby Bush apologizes for everything under the sun. Why doesn't he step in to protect the Republic?

420 posted on 12/01/2008 9:22:08 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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