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To: freedumb2003

Just a heads-up on this item. It is being widely misreported. The priest wrote that parishioners should go to confession if they voted for Obama, if they knew that it was wrong to do so and that it was a major/grave matter, or something along those lines. The “if” is not getting reported. In order for a sin to be a sin, one has to know that one is doing wrong. So he rightly was asking them to consider whether they knew that it was wrong to vote for Obama—only in that case would they need to confess it as sin.

It is being reported as if he said to them, “look, you voted for him, you knew it was wrong, you knew it was serious, so all of you have to go to confession.” He did not say that—he could not say that because no one can know just what the other person knew, how deliberately and with full consent the other person did something.

I would imagine the priest is mostly just trying to get folks’ attention so that in the future they will take abortion more seriously. He’s trying to inform them, put them on notice, as it were. And those who truly did know that it was wrong to vote for Obama and did so with full consent, well, they need to go to confession. But he’s not saying that everyone who voted for Obama committed a mortal sin—there’s no way he can say or know that. Remember, only mortal sins have to be confessed, though confession of venial sins is recommended by the Church. So in order for his pastoral advice to be correct, he has to make clear that he’s talking about mortal sin and in the case of voting for Obama, one has to be cognizant of the gravity of the matter and vote for him despite that. One would think that the bishops’ speaking out on this would have put every Catholic on notice, but in fact, a lot of Catholics were blissfully ignorant of what their own bishops said and all to many bishops didn’t say enough. So just how many of this pastor’s parishioners need to confess a mortal sin of voting for Obama, is hard to say. Sadly, probably not very many of them. He is, however, trying to get their attention.


6 posted on 11/30/2008 1:37:55 PM PST by Houghton M.
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To: Houghton M.

There are quite a few important points covered in this article and what was said here.

Many bishops believed it was critical that abortion be front and center and that Catholics should be voting along these lines.

I don’t know if they were cowed into silence by anyone who spoke against the neuen fuhrer.


12 posted on 11/30/2008 1:43:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Der neuen Fuhrer: AKA the Murdering Messiah: Keep your power dry, folks)
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To: Houghton M.; All
I agree that when a person sins untentially - that is not considered a mortal sin - when one willfully commots a sin. However, if a parishioner has EVER heard one sermon against abortion - they can no longer say that they did not know!

Proverbs 24:11-12

"Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter.

If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not He who weighs the heart perceive it?

Does not He who guards your life know it?

Will He not repay each person according to what he has done?"

17 posted on 11/30/2008 1:55:35 PM PST by Anita1 ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Houghton M.

“In order for a sin to be a sin, one has to know that one is doing wrong.”

Is THAT what Catholics teach??? It’s sure NOT what most Christians believe.

FTR: I don’t think Catholics believe it either. A sin is a SIN whether you are cognizant of it or not!!


27 posted on 11/30/2008 2:25:10 PM PST by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: Houghton M.
Father Illo can speak for himself.

http://www.stjmod.com/abortionletter.pdf

November 21, 2008
Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Dear Parishioners of St. Joseph’s,

Recently I said at Mass: “If you voted for a pro-abortion candidate on November 4, and you knew what you were doing, you need to go to confession before receiving communion.” Have I spoken out of turn? I will answer that question, as best as I can, at the end of this letter.

All Catholics have the grave obligation to defend every innocent human life, but in particular the poorest and neediest. Jesus said: “What you did to the least of my brothers and sisters, you did to me.” There are many kinds of poor in Stanislaus County. The homeless, the incarcerated, the elderly poor, the infirm and those in nursing homes all need our special love. I am privileged to pastor a parish that lovingly serves all of these types of needy people. But there is an entire class of Americans who are targeted for focused attack, a people with no rights, whose very lives are at the whim of judges and politicians. I of course speak about Americans before they are born. The abortion industry, and our legal system, refuses to recognize the humanity of the human fetus. But if a human fetus is not human, what is it?

We Catholics, and all people of good will and sound reason, must defend the lives of these poorest of the poor. Protecting unborn people from abortion is the defining issue of our time, as constantly clarified by our Church: “Among all the crimes which can be committed against life, procured abortion has characteristics making it particularly serious and deplorable,” wrote John Paul II in the Gospel of Life (1995). “Given such a grave situation, we need now more than ever to have the courage to look the truth in the eye and to call things by their proper name.”

Many Catholics voted for candidates on November 4 who stated clearly that they would promote abortion. President-elect Obama, for example, promised Planned Parenthood that the first thing he would do upon taking office is to sign the so-called “Freedom of Choice Act,” which would grant unlimited access to abortion in all 50 states up until the moment of live birth. Many Catholics voted for such pro-abortion candidates thinking that their good positions on other issues, such as the war or health care, outweighed their deplorable stand on abortion. Many discount “one-issue voting,” but if the issue is grave enough, no one would object to “one-issue voting.” For example, if the issue were legalizing slavery, no one would hesitate to vote against a candidate on this one issue. In fact, this election was a largely one-issue vote anyway, and that issue was the economy. What we Catholics, and all people of sound reason, must understand, is that a refusal to protect all human life is a deal-breaker. Abortion is a much graver issue than slavery.

My dear brothers and sisters, I know many were confused about the issues. It is a difficult time for us all, and we are facing new social and cultural issues. Neither have your pastors and bishops spoken clearly and with one voice on these issues. But one thing is clear and certain: we can never vote for a candidate who promises to promote abortion. No one who promotes the killing of unborn people can be entrusted with the public good. “The greatest destroyer of peace in the world today,” wrote Mother Teresa, “is abortion.” It is not the economy, war, health care, poverty, or terrorism. It is abortion. “Human life,” according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, “must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception....the inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of civil society and its legislation.” In other words, this is a civil rights issue, We have to speak for those who have no voice. We must demand honesty from our public officials, who are clearly dishonest when they pretend that the human fetus is not human.

If you are one of the 54% of Catholics who voted for a pro-abortion candidate, you were clear on his position, and you knew the gravity of the question, I urge you to go to confession before receiving communion. Don’t risk losing your state of grace by receiving sacrilegiously. I appeal to your conscience, grounded in Church teaching. To some degree we all have the blood of these children on our hands. I myself have confessed sacramentally, and I confess to you now, that I have not done enough to defend these children. Their blood is on my hands too. We will see them in the next life, and they will ask us why we let them die.

Pope Benedict wrote in 2004 (as Cardinal Ratzinger) that Catholic public officials who "consistently campaign and vote for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws" are guilty of grave evil. If they have been warned to abstain from Holy Communion and persist in promoting abortion, he wrote, “the minister of holy Communion must refuse to distribute it” to them. In 2002 he had written that “a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program … that contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals.”

If you voted for a pro-abortion candidate, I cannot say for certain if you should refrain from Holy Communion. I don’t know what you were thinking. But voting for a candidate who promises “abortion rights,” even if he promises every other good thing, is voting for abortion. It is a grave mistake, and probably a grave sin. No issue can compare with the legalized destruction of a mother’s child. I am writing to you because I love you and I care about your relationship with God. I am also writing because God requires this of me as a Catholic priest....

We do not have to settle for “pro-abortion” candidates. We can and must demand that our public officials protect the inalienable right of all Americans to live and flourish. If every Catholic in his district told Congressman Dennis Cardoza, for example, that we support him and most of his policies, but that we will not vote for him unless he defends all human life, he would change his position. All of us Catholics, all people of sound reason and good will, can and must simply require our public officials to act reasonably and responsibly in respect to human life.

If you need to go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, our priests hear confessions on Fridays from 6:30-7:30pm, and Saturdays from 8:30-9:30am and 4-5pm. May God bless you, our families, our parish, and our nation.

Yours sincerely in Christ,

Fr. Joseph Illo
Pastor

IV. The Gravity of Sin: Mortal and Venial Sin

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

47 posted on 11/30/2008 6:52:36 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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