Posted on 11/29/2008 10:08:31 AM PST by redk
So, Kathleen Parker has determined that getting rid of social conservatives and shelving the values they fight for is the solution to what ails the Republican Party (“Giving Up on God,” Nov. 19). Isn’t that a little like Benedict Arnold handing George Washington a battle plan to win the Revolution?
Whatever she once was, Ms. Parker is certainly not a conservative anymore....
(Excerpt) Read more at citizenlink.org ...
Your guess... Mine is that because he knows that even Christians sin he wanted to remind them not to.
From the article:
“Ms. Parker cites the election of Barack Obama as evidence that Americans no longer care much about the moral-values issues that have historically driven conservative voters to the polls.”
Also, I was referring to some of the comments made in the first 50. There seems to be a rift in the party, and it is along these lines.
Of course, morality without God is pointless.
Amen!
Yes. Morality without God is tyrannous. And law without God becomes a tyrant, no matter what the size of government.
“It would be a huge mistake for party leadership to discard the religious right wing of the party. In fact, they do so at their own peril.”
There is no need to discard the religious right wing of the party. We just have to muzzle them a little. Give them a bone everyone once in a while to keep them reasonably happy, but make the main focus of the party economic issues. The religious right will not vote for Democrats. That’s a sin. You can’t be a Christian if you vote for Democrats. I’ve actually heard people say things like that down here in the Bible Belt. The religious right will come along even if we basically ignore them, and to a certain extent, that’s exactly what we should do.
Although I sort of agree with your point, I too (like Dobson) found myself embarrassed at having to defend McCain as the Republican candidate. (I only agreed to volunteer and donate after the GOP convention, and by then it was too late)
It's beem crystal clear for years that McCain had no use or respect for faith-based conservatives .... and if not for his solid proLife and pro-security record ... McCain would be better off in the populist Democrat camp.
In fact, I blame McCain for encouraging the hate-filled anti-American anti-Christian media each time he slammed and ridiculed President Bush.
And he did it A LOT.
Each time McCain dissed Bush, whether with rhetoric or by caucusing AGAINST the Administration, it gave the left cover to scream "SEE even top Republicans hate this Administration."
From his pandering views on global warming, on his 'no-drill' energy policy, or homo rights, or his vote against tax cuts.... McCain pumped up the anti-conservative attitudes every time he kissed up to his left-wing buddies in the NYTimes, WaPost, CNN, MSNBC, and LATimes.
Ironically, the same reporters that played kissie kissie with McCain from 2000-2007 suddenly stabbed him in the back in 2008..... which was the only time justice prevailed this entire election cycle.
I'm sorry to say -- very sorry, frankly -- but I agree with Obama here (that was very painful for me). However, faith-based arguments do not work in a constitutional Republic.
Abortion for instance (as it is the topic here), should be argued against from a scientific and constitutional perspective --- no one is to be denied life without due process, science shows us clearly that abortion is the taking of a unique, individual life.
What YOU should be defending, if you believe the bible. The view that we should ALL be subject to the rule of law, and that the object of evangelical activism should NOT be to get some socialist who quotes the bible into office. Nor should it be to support a president who shows less concern for the law than to blatantly disregard the fourth amendment.
Christians USED to be the people we could trust to understand the sinfulness and fallenness of men, and thus support RESISTANCE to "putting men in power." You could at one time, when Christians actually read the bible, depend on them to understand that men are frail, corrupt, wicked and prone to abuse power so much that the ideal government is one which has VERY LITTLE POWER, and that the main sources of power are left to individual municipalities and states.
Christians today are simply a mirror image of the godless in their political views. They want the government to "do good" and therefore are in a sweaty rush to give them that power to do so, only to find it abused, misused, misdirected and wasted. What is worse, they wake up on November 5, 2008 and realize the good guys are gone and they have ceded power which will now be used AGAINST THEM.
Our founding fathers, while deeply imbued with a Christian worldview -even those not Christian- would have been horrified at the activities of Christians today to jockey for federal power to get their stuff accomplished. They would have responded with something like "what????? are you daft? that is the tyranny we just fought a war to ESCAPE."
Good for us.
Alas, not for as many of either as there should be, though. Wouldn't it be nice if people of excellent training and experience in various aspects of Americnans' life had a radio show that chiefly addressed such subject matter, as we deem important?
Maybe such people, unlike so many radio show hosts, however, could serve the cause of Americanism by helping to build grassroots political efforts, in some ways, too.
Too bad we don't have as many of those people as we should, God bless them.
Why would you blame no-fault divorce on Dobson?
Social conservatives really need to understand this, as did the Founders. As long as social conservatives advocate more and wider reach of government to enforce their social views, rather than shrinking the reach of government so that individuals have the right to reject and demonize evils like abortion and open homosexuality, conservatism will lose. ONLY limited government will allow for the social conservatism Dobson advocates, yet Dobson and many social conservatives harp that bigger government, as long as it is their government, is the only way to achieve it. They have no more chance of succeeding than Communism -- force fails every time; freedom in markets and religion has created the most successful, strongest, humanitarian, wonderful nations on earth. Parker vs Dobson is not what this is about -- it's limited government versus expanded government, and neither Parker nor Dobson, nor the so-called "conservatives" they speak for, seem to get this.
How do you come to the conclusion that I blame no-fault divorce on Dobson? How on earth do you come to that conclusion?????? Where are your reading and comprehension skills? Read again and THINK instead of emote.
Yeah, sink, far be it from pesky Christians to think themselves as Popular Sovereigns, fundamentally responsible for federal, state, and local politics.
What are they thinking?
Well said!!!
Amen! I voted for Sarah too. If it weren't for her, I think barry would have won in a landslide.
They show up for national elections, and as the last 8 years show, COMPLETELY BAIL when it comes to calling to account national leaders when they violate the law. No one on the Christian right raised a peep over HR1255, which give the executive branch the right to seize property without trial if they think you support terrorists. Jim Dobsons endorsement of Mike Huckabee is another example of how easy it is to do what Lee Atwater told GHWB to do, which is "throw out a few bible verses to em. They won't know the difference." Principle over Personality. Law over Charisma. Policy over Platform. Law over "good motives.".... Either that, or tyranny.
I am for American Christianity actually READING the bible when it describes the fallen nature of man and quit imagining some pipe dream where "Christian" men somehow enter a realm where they are not corruptible.
You would think that after 28 years of political disappointments, they might say "ya know, this 'godly leader' stuff hasn't worked out like we thought. Maybe we ought to look and see what the founders said about limiting power because THEY DON'T TRUST MEN TO STAY 'GODLY' ONCE THEY BECOME 'LEADERS'"
Nope. Same stupid braying that we need God's laws and society will crumble without them (true, but totally irrelevant to the issue at hand). Same naive insistence that what we need are men in DC who can quote the Bible, and then we can just blindly follow them. Look, John Kasich attended a bible study in DC, claimed CS Lewis was his fave author. Do you have any idea of the sexual perversion that went on with him? Do you know why he chose not to run again???? Men are fallible. Men are weak. Men are SINFUL. YOU CAN'T TRUST THEM WITH POWER. Instead, you spread the power out as much as possible.
Until American Christians wake up and figure out that "biblical government" by definition means LIMITED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, then they will simply be mirror images of the godless, except they will worship the state IN THE NAME OF worshipping God. The end result will be the same, though.
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