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Evolution and God
Internet Archive | 1888 | Joseph Le Conte

Posted on 11/25/2008 6:10:27 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode

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To: Cedric

OK, educate me. How old are the Rockies and what is the rate of erosion?


161 posted on 11/25/2008 1:37:51 PM PST by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: MrB

I don’t need a counter argument in order to recognize a flawed one.


162 posted on 11/25/2008 1:38:49 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: js1138; metmom; MrB
Which god do you want taught in public schools? Perhaps you would approve of public funds to teach about Xenu?

Reading really IS fundamental.

Can you produce a science text showing us where "XENU" was taught in science class before the cult of evolution took hold and demanded prayer and God or anything like God including creation etc., got booted from the disasters that are today public schools?

Maybe you can take a stab at explaining what the chemist said that was particularly "religious"?

So far the one and only time one of you cultists did so, he shrugged it off and got huffy and left.

163 posted on 11/25/2008 1:39:26 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: MrB
There was an article in the WSJ today, and the point was made that whenever someone takes an issue out of the political arena and into the courts, they have made the tacit admission that they cannot defend their position to the public in order to convince the majority that they are right.

Like prop 8.Like Michael Newdow demanding IGWT be removed from coins, like mangers removed from poublic,Christmas trees removed from schools, 10 commandments removed from courthouses, etc. etc. etc.

164 posted on 11/25/2008 1:39:27 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic

I see that we’ve tweaked a sore spot by pointing out that your side of the argument is “running to mama” in order to get your way.


165 posted on 11/25/2008 1:40:02 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB
I see that we’ve tweaked a sore spot by pointing out that your side of the argument is “running to mama” in order to get your way.You tweaked a "sore spot" using blatantly flawed arguments. Do you care if you're really making good arguments to support your case, or is this an "end justifice the means" kind of arrangement?
166 posted on 11/25/2008 1:43:47 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 728b

No!

The link between creationism and elections is only big when it’s big and it’s not big when it’s not big. Right!

So when you are talking to a fellow evolutionist it’s BIG.

“No “vast amounts of time” are spent by your average evolutionary biologist on the hypothetical origins of life.”

Then your “below average” evolutionary biologist must be gumming up the works with talk of abiogenesis. Because anybody that has been awake has heard of primordial soup and the like as if it is a big deal. Or did those highly imaginative christians come up with that one too.

I’m seeing a pattern here. So abiogenesis is big when it’s big and not big when it’s not big.

I take it back you are consistent.


Yup, for such a small deal they expend an enormous amount of money and time and energy in courts to stomp anything remotely God/religious/far right fundmentalist out of the public don’t they?


167 posted on 11/25/2008 1:44:17 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: 728b
Creationism is a losing issue for conservatives. Because I am a conservative who wants to win, I don't think it should be a central or “big” issue. When it becomes a “big” issue, because some school board wants to make it an issue, creationists are tossed out on their ear.

When you get what you “know” about biology from creationists it is no wonder that you are confused about basic details like the origins of life not being covered by evolutionary theory.

I have long maintained that the reason most creationists charlatans don't spend any time attacking abiogenesis because most creationists who they are selling their books to don't know what it is, don't want to know what it is, and think it is indistinguishable from biological evolution anyway. Thanks for the confirmation.

If you go to PubMed and search “evolution” you will find 231,356 hits. Search “abiogenesis” and you will find 13 hits. Hardly “gumming up the works”. I guess you don't really know as much about what is going on in biological research as you think.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed

168 posted on 11/25/2008 1:44:21 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: tpanther
Maybe you can take a stab at explaining what the chemist said that was particularly "religious"?

What chemist?

169 posted on 11/25/2008 1:47:09 PM PST by js1138
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To: tacticalogic; tpanther
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They're trying to teach Creationism! Waaaa!
Judge, make them stop!
170 posted on 11/25/2008 1:48:33 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: MrB; tacticalogic
It was made in reference to the Prop 8 / gay marriage issue.

But it is just as applicable to any issue in which one side refuses to try to convince the majority that they are correct,

and run to the courts to get their position forced on the public without recourse.

It is a tacit admission of the logical weakness of that position.

Actually, in the case of evolution, it's that the evos CAN'T convince the majority that they are correct.

For the decades of teaching evo in public schools, the majority of Americans still believe in either creation or some form of ID. The number that hold the hardline evo position that is advocated on FR is relatively small, much to the evoatheist's chagrin.

Therefore, since they are incapable of progressing on their own merit, they use the heavy hand of the government to enforce compliance to their wishes.

171 posted on 11/25/2008 1:49:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MrB

You don’t like having your arguments held up to critical examination, do you?


172 posted on 11/25/2008 1:50:23 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MrB

FOTFL.


173 posted on 11/25/2008 1:50:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
For the decades of teaching evo in public schools, the majority of Americans still believe in either creation or some form of ID. The number that hold the hardline evo position that is advocated on FR is relatively small, much to the evoatheist's chagrin.

Do they believe that Cretionism/ID is science?

174 posted on 11/25/2008 1:54:12 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Coyoteman

Einstein’s equations and theories get proved by observaton of actual physics occurring in laboratories.

I don’t agree with these definitions at all.


175 posted on 11/25/2008 1:55:43 PM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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To: tacticalogic; MrB

And how is that different than all the pictures that evos post about creationists?

Evos are in no position to point fingers about pictures, because the same could be said of them.


176 posted on 11/25/2008 1:55:50 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Do you want to be treated as an individual, or part of a collective?


177 posted on 11/25/2008 1:56:59 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom

>> For the decades of teaching evo in public schools, the majority of Americans still believe in either creation or some form of ID.

What are you basing this on?


178 posted on 11/25/2008 1:57:26 PM PST by ravensandricks (Jesus rides beside me. He never buys any smokes.)
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To: MrB; metmom
I don’t need a counter argument in order to recognize a flawed one.

OF COURSE! You know MrB, kinda like they don't need to explain why ID theory is held to ridiculous standards while abiogenesis theory (or whatever the language is today) gets off scott free!OR how atheists just get their morals from...well themselves...while they demand the 10 commandments be removed from the public, etc. etc. etc.

179 posted on 11/25/2008 1:57:37 PM PST by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

They aren’t used to ridicule being used against them, but we need to learn to use it better -

Satan cannot abide scorn.


180 posted on 11/25/2008 2:00:14 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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