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To: FreedomFerret

[[The State couldn’t tell the church what to think or do, and the church couldn’t tell the State what to think or do.]]

This is hte only correct statement you made- although it MUST be clarified even further- The Church can recommend to the state, and the State can recommend to hte church- but neither can FORCE the other- Anti-Christians however take the ‘seperation of church and state’ WAY too far changing it’s original intentions to somethign it NEVER meant. The constitition ALSO mentions freedom OF religion- not freedom FROM religion. State officials ARE free to worship and express their religions in public, and even to have religious beliefs shape hteir opinions.

The ‘seperation of church and state’ issue applies to the GOVERNING of either side- The State is prevented by our constitution from forcing the church to change their internal governings- the State can NOT force the church to decide matters- and that sir is hte crux of the whole issue- Neither can the church FORCE the state to govern or change the governments internal governing-

In England- the Church did EXACTLY this- they FORCED the government to abide by the church’s own personal governings- and our founding fathers wanted to prevent this kind of corruption from ever happenign again, and thus our constitution- NOWHERE in our constituion however is it EVER mentioned that the government must abstain from anythign religious or that they must abstain fro m freely expressing hteir own personal religious beleifs and convictions- The whole reason we have a ‘balance’ in opur government is to allow EVERY manner of opinion- religious or not- and the majority rule can overirde or accept any opinion they like as long as it is constituiional, and it protects the TRUE rights of individuals of all faiths or non faiths.

The church of England trampled all over the rights of people, and we, the USA, decided that that kind of corruption should never happen again, but at hte same time, we as a nation recognized the value of certain religious beliefs because they infact DO protect all rights, and we decided that those rights and opinions should forever be protected as well under our constitution.

Secularism does NOT protect ALL rights- Complete secularism tramples all over the rights of religious folks, and quite frankly, Secularism is nothign but a rleigion in and of itself dressed up in government garb, and paraded around as beign the most tolorant when infact is is nothign of hte kind- it amoutns sir to a overnment ENFORCED religious beleif that God should not be any part of our government- Secularism is a true religious beleief inthat it ardently and fervently beleives in an idea that quite frankly violates our constitution and hte protection of religion and expression- it also violates the right to free speech. Secularists however are loathe to even admit this, but htis is a FACT.


47 posted on 11/19/2008 10:04:20 AM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop

The religious character of secularism and the empirical disproof of its validity as religion become apparent through a realistic look at government schooling. The institution is at the same time a self-styled engineer of secular harmony in a country of supposedly intractable religious enemies, and the perpetrator of a vulgar marshaling of children through a state-mandated regimen of bizarre activities in isolation from their families. It amounts to a huge, forcible transgression of freedom in what is said to be a free country and sets the stage for crackpot leftism in the college scene. Overall it makes for a disastrous way to grow up.


201 posted on 11/21/2008 3:58:42 AM PST by Mmmike
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