Posted on 11/19/2008 9:11:02 AM PST by kellynla
Catholic members of Congress who vote for the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) could face “automatic excommunication” if the act is determined to be “formal cooperation” in the evil of abortion.
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I’m a Catholic too. My problem is with the wishy washy mushy mainline Protestant churches, especially the Episcoplians. I find these churches to be spiritual wastelands (and liberal front groups). They have gone south. I find most Baptists, Mormons, and Jehovah’s Witnesses along with Orthodox Jews and Christians to be deeply spiritual people. And I am totally sick of two-faced Catholic? politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Joe Biden, and Nancy Pelosi trying to have it both ways. A high ranking cleric in the curia of the Vatican correctly observed that the Democrat Party is the party of death.
Babies are NEVER an “unjust threat!”I guess all those stories about women dying in childbirth are hoaxes.
I don’t where the hell you came up with such a “thesis” but it is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! PERIOD.So it is wrong to kill people even if they are an unjust threat to innocent life? Was it wrong to kill Charles Whitman?
Do you think Catholics are idolaters because we pray to Our Blessed Mother Mary for her help?Which Catholics do that?
A summary of the pro-life thesis (copy and paste as much as you like):
The pro-life thesis is that the same ethical principles apply to
killing of unborn as they apply to killing of born people. The ethical
principles applying to the killing of born people can be classified
into duties to refrain from actions that wrongfully kill a person
(negative duties) and duties to take action to preserve or prolong the
life of a person (positive duties).
The negative duties are general, with certain specified exceptions.
While there is debate on what these exceptions are, two generally
accepted exceptions are killing those who are an unjust threat to
innocent life, or those participating in a foreign invasion.
The positive duties are more specific. And importantly for this
discussion, the positive duties only exist if one is aware that they
have a duty to take action to prolong someone’s life. Certainly,people
do not have a duty to perform CPR on a person they do not know even
exists.
So according to the pro-life thesis, it is unethical to cut up an
unborn in the womb unless it falls under the specific exceptions to
the general duty not to actively kill people. But how would this apply
to an induced labor abortion, where the baby is delivered intact
prematurely.
Some would argue that the mother’s duty to provide for her
offspring begins at pregnancy. Therefore, an induced labor abortion
constitutes a refusal to provide nourishment for the offspring and
would be unethical.
“I guess all those stories about women dying in childbirth are hoaxes?”
Hey, genius, if you were any kind of Catholic you would know that in the case of where there is a chance of a mother dying from giving birth; the mother must sacrifice herself for her baby...but from your other wrong posts about Catholic faith & morals, you obviously are NOT a Catholic.
Now quit bothering me!
Do you think Catholics are idolaters because we pray to Our Blessed Mother Mary for her help?
“Which Catholics do that?”
Well that pretty much nails your ignorance of Catholicism.
LMAO
yeaaaaaaaaa...you’re about as Catholic as my cat alright!
Hey, genius, if you were any kind of Catholic you would know that in the case of where there is a chance of a mother dying from giving birth; the mother must sacrifice herself for her baby.Gee, that is news. Women can not defend themselves? So if they see a man (or a woman) running at them with a knife, they have a duty to stand there and get stabbed in the heart? Yours is an extreme position, rejected by civilized folk.
.but from your other wrong posts about Catholic faith & morals, you obviously are NOT a Catholic.Murder is wrong, whether or not the victim ever saw the light of day. Worshipping an idol is wrong, whether it is a statue is Ba'al, Odin, St. Peter, or Abraham Lincoln.
Well that pretty much nails your ignorance of Catholicism.You did not answer my question. Which Catholics pray to Our Blessed Mother Mary? Name at least one.
throw em out!
They could choose not to be Catholic if their belief system is in opposition to Church Doctrine.Of course. They may not murder people, nor may they worship idols and be good Catholics. But does this extend to a duty for them to legislate against all Americans from having an abortion or worshipping idols?
In April 1995, Pope John Paul II wrote in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae that the death penalty was justified only in cases where there was no other possible means of defending society. He went on to note that the penal system as it existed in the modern world made such case for all practical purposes non-existent. The Church has taken a consistent stand against capital punishment as exercised in the U.S.
On the matter of divorce: The Church does not recognize civil divorce. However, whether the Church grants an “annulment” is reserved to very limited cases involving fraud or a specific incompetence AT THE TIME THE SACRAMENT WAS ADMINISTERED (impediment to make the sacrament)
The Church considers divorce and remarriage committing adultry. Adultry is a sin, a violation of the 6th Commandment. Yet civil law not only permits divorce, it gives it a tax subsidy. How can Catholics, in good faith, support laws that do that?
Or else what?
Only Roman Catholics care if they are excommunicated, and if a given person unrepentantly supports killing children, then they aren’t Roman Catholic.
Might as well make it official.
The Church does not recognize divorce in any form, it being a civil procedure. Catholics who divorce remain married in the eyes of the Church. Catholics who divorce and remarry are committing adultery against their spouse. Only church sanctioned annulments are allowed.
Hey feller, when you find “THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE” clause in the Constitution, post it for the rest of us who just can’t seem to find it. I’ve looked and looked, but none of the copies I have seen have that clause in it.
Only Roman Catholics care if they are excommunicated, and if a given person unrepentantly supports killing children, then they aren’t Roman Catholic.Or killing anyone, for that matter.
I don’t believe that’s the issue -
they should NOT PROMOTE these things, though, through their votes (as citizens) nor their support of legislation if they are elected officials.
The FoCA is such a positive promotion in that it overrides all restrictions on infanticide.
Those who support it, therefore, are materially cooperating with intrinsic evil.
The FoCA is such a positive promotion in that it overrides all restrictions on infanticide.do you have details on the proposed act?
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