Posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:44 PM PST by pissant
Harrison spoke about the descent of intellectual conservatism. Here’s another example of it in David Frum’s resignation from National Review. Like some other conservative intellectuals, Frum criticized the Palin pick this election. After seeing fellow National Reviewers Kathleen Parker eviscerated for the same offense, Frum followed Chris Buckley’s lead and resigned from National Review writing.
In a New York Times interview, he said a little distance will help people keep their heads:
I am really and truly frightened by the collapse of support for the Republican Party by the young and the educated … The answers to the Republican dilemma are not obvious and we need a vibrant discussion. I think a little more distance can help everybody do a better job of keeping their temper.
I think intolerance for dissent—exactly the kind that Parker, Frum and Buckley experienced—may be perpetuating the dilemma. It’s impossible to have a “vibrant discussion” when someone who offers a dissenting view is told they should have been aborted, like Parker was. This intolerance especially repulses the young (not known for cherishing orthodoxy) and the educated (who presumably like “vibrant discussion”).
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Did anybody say Palin was a rocket scientist? Did they claim she was a constitutional scholar? But let's flip the script here...
Is John McCain really that smart is he can't count to 270? Is he really so smart that he believes that global warming just started and is going to ‘kill us all’? Is McCain an intellectual for wanting to ban gambling on college sports or internet poker? How about his interest in Amnesty? Is that ‘intellectual’?
And while we're at it, how intellectually significant is the VP-Elect? They guy thinks we invaded Lebanon and kicked out Iran and Hezbollah. He believes the Russians never threatened the US and thinks Iraq should be three different countries as the fastest path to victory (Petraeus pretty much gutted that one). And Obama has yet to correct any of this during his campaign of our 57 states.
Reagan, to whom all of our ‘intellectuals’ claim fealty was NOT considered a smart man or one who was ‘interested in reading’. He was considered an idiot actor and the dumber star of the Bonzo movies. Yet, curiously, Reagan actually WAS very smart and far more thoughtful than his critics. And when another GOPer arrives with the excitement of Reagan these modern day Rockefellers dump their excrement on her and accuse HER of being the GOP problem.
Yeah, don't let the door hit you on the way out guys. Your ‘ideas’ have been really helping us so much that I just don't know how we will go on without you. If I even knew what your ‘ideas’ where other than hating on Palin....
I’ve relly enjoyed Christopher Buckleys fiction books. Very funny stuff in that P.J. O’Rourke genre.
But I really have absolutely NO idea what makes him a leading intellectual conservative other than this genes. What has he contributed which has paved the way for more conservatism or even better conservatism?
Frum needs a loyalty lesson. He jumped Palin from the beginning when he should have held his piece after she was picked for VP. His criticism was to late to change that and was completely against the interest of the ticket.
But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?
Joe Biden couldn't have said it better, David Frum.
Yes, it's time for you to go--since you won't get a sex change and be a man about it.
Did no one tell him she was governor of the largest state, c-in-c of our first line of defense, the ramrod (oh he doesn't like that!) of the largest civilian construction project in North American history.
What a disgusting shrieking little fairy--we must jettison all these slugs hereinafter referred to as "Frums".
Frum, Parker and Buckley = traitors. oh and Noonan.
“I think intolerance for dissent—exactly the kind that Parker, Frum and Buckley experienced—may be perpetuating the dilemma. It’s impossible to have a “vibrant discussion” when someone who offers a dissenting view is told they should have been aborted, like Parker was. This intolerance especially repulses the young (not known for cherishing orthodoxy) and the educated (who presumably like “vibrant discussion”).”
Yes and no. Let’s have the discussion. But these are people with a soapbox as well, saying disagreeable and wrong things. If they can dish it out but cannot take it ... where does that leave us???
Who is being divisive in a wrong-headed way, the folks who just want to help the GOP get it all together, or the folks jeering the players on the field mid-game?
Kathleen Parker suffers from plain old, green-eyed jealousy. A little long in the tooth, she can’t stand the idea that somebody younger, prettier — and yes, smarter — might accomplish more than she ever could.
I’ll bet a nickel that she atarted out writing fashion, society, or cooking articles in some backwater newspaper, then became a syndicated “political columnist”. Big deal.
Yikes!
atarted = started
“They don’t care if we’re fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, RINOs, CINOs or bluebloods....as long as we’re all fighting each other. “
Correct. This is the old ‘divide and conquer’ approach. Conservatives lose when we bicker.
It would be wise to be civil about other people on the right, as we need everyone we can to be on the right side in these times.
For all those gleefully throwing Frum off the island, Dont dismiss it so easily. consider it this way: We need as many Obama critics as possible, writing cogently to stop Obama’s socialism.
“We need as many Obama critics as possible, writing cogently to stop Obama’s socialism.”
That is the problem with the RINO clowns conservatives want to jettison - they are not Obama critics. They spend their time criticizing conservatives, and complimenting Obama for the things they like about him.
Please, go see Frum’s NR blog.
Then clarify your comment with data to back it up.
What about the GOPs Socialism!
Gee, thanks for making my point.
Yes, instead of productive discussion and consensus-building on where to go next, let’s all spend all our time bitching and moaning about the Republicans and tearing eachother up, running people out of the party over petty differences .... that’s just a *wonderful* way to stop the left liberal Democrats from running the country into the ground unhindered by any dissent ... not!
Tho afwaid ith Fwummy.
Don't see why he had to resign though.
Who will take over "David Frum's Diary?"
Maybe they'll keep running it as a spoof.
"David Frum's Diary" sounded like a parody all along anyway.
From your keyboard, to God's ear. Just like the Phoenix.
Like I've stated before, and I will state again on this board, the Republican party needs an ENEMA!
Sorry for the visuals...
5.56mm
>> Like some other conservative intellectuals, Frum criticized the Palin pick this election.
The market for ‘intellectual’ content is one based on masochism and ignorance in my view. The writer who truly wishes to communicate to the reader on level ground, regardless of his literary caliber, will shun the associations of intellectualism, at least to the view of the citizen. They, the intellectuals, are not one of us, for they express through winding prose they are better than us. And this is why they have contempt for Palin ~ Sarah is one of us.
There will be no third party rising, period. You can either work within the GOP, or march into obscurity with your FALCON. Choose wisely.
As the Whig told the Republican....
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