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1 posted on 11/17/2008 12:45:34 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I vote for Alan Keyes at every opportunity. This year I got to vote for him in the primary, but alas he was not on the general election ticket here.


2 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:35 PM PST by Edgar3 ("Is there a Patriot in the house?")
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To: Red Steel

Keyes does have a bone to pick with Obama


3 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:44 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Have you girded your loins today??????)
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To: Red Steel
"This will be good for him and for the nation."

You betcha!

4 posted on 11/17/2008 12:50:57 PM PST by Faith
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To: Red Steel
Alan Keyes

Keyes is a Constitutional scholar. Hopefully, he'll know what strings to pull to get this done right.

5 posted on 11/17/2008 12:51:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Red Steel

The suit brought by Keyes vs. California Secretary of State in PDF format, 19 pages.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/AlanKeyesSuit.pdf

7 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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"I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation."

The simple logic of this is so crystal clear, non-partisan, and non-racist I am absolutely dumbfounded the question even needed to be asked. I am even more dumbfounded that Obama cannot comprehend this simple notion. His lack of leadership, and perhaps intelligence, speaks volumes.
8 posted on 11/17/2008 12:53:46 PM PST by so_real
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To: Red Steel

With Alan Keyes on the job, there is no way this lawsuit can fail!

(sarcasm, by the way....)


9 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:23 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Red Steel

I saw AIP and immediately thought African Press, but my momentary dyslexia went away. Whew.


10 posted on 11/17/2008 12:55:26 PM PST by ScottinVA (Gloucester County, VA -- Standing for America! 63% for McCain-Palin on 4 Nov)
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11 posted on 11/17/2008 12:58:41 PM PST by marshmallow (USA: Bailout Nation)
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That Alan Koo-Koo-Keyes would jump into this silly soup at this late date is further evidence of his utter irrelevance.

What a dope...


12 posted on 11/17/2008 1:04:49 PM PST by seanrobins (blog.seanrobins.com)
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To: Red Steel
As to the personal reasons why Alan Keyes might have for wanting this resolved, those are his. However, if there are no improprieties here, then there NO reason under the sun why the Birth Certificate (the real one)cannot be shown.

Anyone can tell a lie all day long if no one forces them to show the proof.

If everything is on the up-and-up, then there is no reason to hide it. You would think obama would show it, just to put egg on all the faces that are demanding it.

I smell a demoRAT.
21 posted on 11/17/2008 1:11:58 PM PST by FrankR (Where's Waldo ([W]here [A]re [L]egal [D]ocuments [O]bama? (i.e. birth certificate))
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To: Red Steel

I have always liked Alan Keyes. He should have stuck to being a commentator rather than getting into politics, because he just doesn’t seem to have any political instincts. Some people might think that’s good—but you need to get elected before you can accomplish anything, and Keyes has an unfortunate way of turning off his friends and allies and offending the voters. He just can’t put a team together and get along with the people he needs to get along with.

But his ideas are certainly good.


28 posted on 11/17/2008 1:16:59 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Keyes let himself be used as a tool to elect Obama in the first place. Oh irony every day you crop up.


34 posted on 11/17/2008 1:20:30 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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Paragraph 75 of the lawsuit is interesting:

75. ..In Hawaii, a Certificate of Live Birth resulting from hospital documentation, including a signature of an attending physician, is different from a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth. For births prior to 1972, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth was the result of the uncorroborated testimony of one witness and was not generated by a hospital. Such a Certificate could be obtained up to one year from the date of the child's birth. For that reason, its value as prima facie evidence is limited and could be overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained. The vault (long Version) birth certificate, per Hawaiian Statute 883.176 allows the birth in another State or another country to be registered in Hawaii. Box 7C of the vault Certificate of Live Birth contains a question, whether the birth was in Hawaii or another State or Country.
Therefore, the only way to verify the exact location of birth is to review a certified copy or the original vault Certificate of Live Birth and compare the name of the hospital and the name and the signature of the doctor against the birthing records on file at the hospital noted on the Certificate of the Live Birth.

Paragraph 78 notes precident:

78. The Office of the Secretary of State of California is the California agency responsible for certifying candidates for inclusion on the ballot. Historically, California Secretaries of State have exercised their due diligence by reviewing necessary background documents, verifying that the candidates that were submitted by the respective political parties as eligible for the ballot were indeed eligible. In 1968, the Peace and Freedom Party submitted the name of Eldridge Cleaver as a qualified candidate for President of the United States. The then SOS, Mr. Frank Jordan, found that, according to Mr. Cleaver's birth certificate, he was only 34 years old, one year shy of the 35 years of age needed to be on the ballot as a candidate for President. Using his administrative powers, Mr. Jordan removed Mr. Cleaver from the ballot. Mr. Cleaver unsuccessfully challenged this decision to the Supreme Court of the State of California, and, later, to the Supreme Court of the United States. Similarly, in 1984, the Peace and Freedom Party listed Mr. Larry Holmes as an eligible candidate in the Presidential primary. When the then SOS checked his eligibility, it was found that Mr. Holmes was similarly not eligible, and Mr. Holmes was removed from the ballot. Currently, we have a similar situation in that the Democratic Party has submitted the name of Senator Barack Obama as candidate for President.

61 posted on 11/17/2008 1:37:56 PM PST by kidd
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To: Red Steel

This is a fun conspiracy, one that would have bitten the dust, were it not for the fact that Obama is lying. So keep it up. Have fun.


63 posted on 11/17/2008 1:40:01 PM PST by pallis
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To: Red Steel

I wonder why they included Great Britain in the list of countries.


143 posted on 11/17/2008 5:08:03 PM PST by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” 12th Amend.

The new piece of information we have is Hillary as Sec of State. This can only mean she may have the goods. And the goods are likely a State Dept. form 240 Report of US Birth from an overseas consulate, dated 1961, which would have been filed to Washington (State Dept!) per procedures. So would the White House, and the FBI—everyone must already know where this is going.

Note that the only member on Congress who survives the new term on 3 Jan is.....VP and Senate President CHENEY. Only he can open the letters from the Electors. He’s also the only one left standing with nothing to lose. Picture this: it’s CHENEY who, on 6 Jan., in front of the new Congress, refuses to open the letters from each State until SCOTUS rules on “natural born” status. What if this is already baked-in and the smart money may already knows it—no court would act first, they’ll all wait for Cheney (!)

....And no one in the joint session, including Pelosi, is Constitutionally authorized to open the letters—they all have to hold hands, cross the street to SCOTUS, and the end game begins.


168 posted on 11/17/2008 8:20:23 PM PST by MkB
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Anyone know when this will be resolved?


179 posted on 11/17/2008 10:04:55 PM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "Senator Government" is here)
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To: Red Steel
There may be less in this than people thought. Sarah Obama, the step-grandmother, is 85 years old and doesn't speak English.

She said he was a "son of the village," or that's how the BBC translated it. It's been argued that she said "native of the village," meaning he was born there. That's possible, I guess, but how many people have gotten to the bottom of this? How many people have the language skill to figure it out?

One youtube clip claimed that finding the root "nat" for "to be born" in what she said showed how simple the translation was. But her language doesn't have Latin or Indo-European roots. And even in English we tend to through words like "native" around loosely.

On another clip, the interviewer is the one concerned with establishing that Barack Obama was born in Mombassa. Sarah Obama doesn't have much to say about it. You could argue that family members shut her up or that the translator wouldn't translate, but it's also possible that she really didn't have much or anything to say about where Obama (who isn't actually her grandson, but her late husband's, presumably) was born.

So before we make too much of this, we should all take a good look at the evidence that's already available, and not make assumptions that may not be true.

212 posted on 11/18/2008 2:50:21 PM PST by x
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