Constitutional crisis looming over Obama's birth location

World Net Daily ^ | 11/14/08 | Bob Unruh

[BP2]

On a different FR thread, Long-range love of Obama’s absent mother, there's discussion an article about young Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack's mother. It mentions her thesis, "Peasant blacksmithing in Indonesia : surviving against all odds," via UMI Dissertation Services.

There are appearantly only 2 libraries with AVAILABLE copies in libraries here in the US, Worldcat. Can't find any digital copies online... although it may be somewhere I haven't looked yet.

TWO are available for checkout at Ohio University. It's also on microfiche at University of Hawaii at Manoa, call number "MICROFICHE D32047"

There might be some important facts, previously overlooked, in the "About the Author" section -- facts that could be helpful to Donofrio, Berg or Keyes in upcoming court cases. In particular, data about Obama's birth, youth or dual citizenship.

If a Freeper is nearby and can access this from these libraries, please PM me and check it out ASAP (before the remaining copies are checked out or disappear)

[luvadavi]

Wonder if that's the footage that API said they had a few weeks ago. I lost track of that because they jst seemed so flaky like they were perpetuating myths & a hoax. Keyes is bringing his case to the CA Sec/State Debra Bowen, lib Dem of course. She may be bound by laws to hear it.

CA used to be Repub. but the libs took over in the '90s

[luvadavi]

I read this earlier, and the story seemed to suggest that Hussein spent much of his childhood in Indonesia w/long separations from mother (communist ideology: work/teach for the common good, put other peoples’needs before your own (trusting that others will raise your kids just as well as you could, etc)—) Strange that only 2 libraries in the country have this & that it was not brought out by 0’s brain trusts during the campaign. No, not strange! They wanted as little mention of Indonesia or Kenya as possible.

[arrogantsob]

Gee, I had forgotten about that one it was a hellavua book, one of the best.

[arrogantsob]

Yes I do see it as black and white. Having done extensive study for the last decade on the Founding and Founders there is no doubt in my mind that they considered alligiance as the most important aspect of “Natural Born”.
It would be a complete violation of their ethical view had children of citizen agents of the state been excluded from full citizenship.

It simply makes no sense which is why this case is a distraction and destructive of the need to expose Zero ineligibility. I have no confidence in this guy’s motives if he is willing to ignore such a basic concept. Only Obama will profit from this distraction.

The Founders did not exclude citizens born abroad only those who had not been in the colonies for 14 years prior to the ratification i.e. 1773. I call this the Hamilton Clause since it made him eligible.

[arrogantsob]

Mice and Men is a very sad one. Heartwrenching in fact. But at least it is short.

[luvadavi]

It is sad. Saw the original movie on TV years ago, was good but I can’t remember who played in it. There was a remake in the ‘8os & usually the orig. is best, haven’t seen the new one.

[tomkat]

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[seekthetruth]

Freepers, Please listen to Lan Lamphere’s program from last night. It is being repeated now, and will be repeated through the day today, 11/26 Very Interesting, and you need to hear it. I believe Lan is telling the truth. http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/

[tomkat]

Thanks for the ping but . .

Lamphere is a self-aggrandizing blowhard, and Leo was quite right and wise to absent himself from that association while his case is under review.

/.02

[seekthetruth]

I do underatand Leo backing away from going on Lan’s program if he feels it would hurt his case. But I also believe Leo could have just stated he did not agree with Leo on everything or the picture on Lan’s website, and left it at that. But Leo saying he wasn't coming back on the program unless Lan took the picture down was not what I would have expected from Leo. We still do have freedom of speech and Lan certainly has a right to express his opinion and put what he wants on his website. I happen to agree that Obama is a Fascist, by the way, whether I saw the picture or not.

I still support Leo for what he is trying to do. I hope his case along with other cases will make sure that our Constitution must be upheld. Whomever holds the Office of President must meet the Constitutional requirements!

[Flamenco Lady]

“Yes I do see it as black and white. Having done extensive study for the last decade on the Founding and Founders there is no doubt in my mind that they considered allegiance as the most important aspect of “Natural Born”
It would be a complete violation of their ethical view had children of citizen agents of the state been excluded from full citizenship”

I agree with you that it is clear that the Founding Fathers considered allegiance as being significant. Since you have done a lot of research on our Founding Fathers, perhaps you can answer a question that has been on my mind through all of this. At the time of our Founding Fathers didn’t they also believe allegiance was only passed down through the father and not the mother?

[arrogantsob]

I have never seen that issue addressed but, given the fact that the Constitution is written in an entirely gender neutral format, I would hazard a guess that the answer is “No.” Now that is not a claim they were feminist but it is, nevertheless, quite interesting.

The only Revolutionary leader that I am aware of who had a major female intellectual influence is John Adams through Abigail. They seemed to be so complimentary that it would have been a great loss when not together.

[smokingfrog]

Call the Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee – in their district offices while they’re home this week for Thanksgiving. 
Ask them to “Please hold congressional hearings to investigate whether Barack Obama meets the basic constitutional requirements for the 
highest office of the land.”

Write a letter to the nine Justices of the United States Supreme Court (names are listed below) and put them in a FedEx (or other overnight) 
envelope to:
U.S. Supreme Court
1 First Street, N.E
Washington, D.C. 20543

Our Constitution matters and defending it is going to take an outcry from the public. The electors vote on Dec. 15. 
The numbers are below and your immediate action is critically needed right now. Do it before defending our liberties costs a lot more than 
making some phone calls and writing a few letters.

The Republican House Judiciary members: Call them toll-free: 877-851-6427 or 202-225-3121, AND most importantly reach them in their district offices:

Lamar Smith (Texas), ranking member, critical in any hearings: 512-306-0439 Austin, 830-896-0154 Kerrville, and 210-821-5024 San Antonio.

James Sensenbrenner (Wisconsin) 800-242-1119 or 262-784-1111 Brookfield

Howard Coble (North Carolina) 336-333-5005 Greensboro, 336-626-3060 Asheboro, 336-886-5106 High Point, 226-229-0159 
Graham, 704-209-0426 Granite Quarry

Elton Gallegly (California) 800-423-0023 or 805-497-2224 Thousand Oaks, 805-686-2525 Solvang

Bob Goodlatte (Virginia) 540-432-2391 Harrisonburg, 434-845-8306 Lynchburg, 540-857-2672 Roanoke, and 540-885-3861 Staunton

Steve Chabot (Ohio) 513-684-2723 Cincinnati

Dan Lungren (California) 916-859-9906 Gold River

Chris Cannon (Utah) 800-571-2971 Provo, 801-569-5125 West Jordan

Ric Keller (Florida) 407-872-1962 Orlando, 888-642-1211 Eustis, 888-642-1211 Ocala

Darrell Issa (California) 951-693-2447 Temecula, 760-599-5000 San Diego

Mike Pence (Indiana) 765-640-2919 Anderson, 765-962-2883 Richmond, 765-747-5566 Muncie

Randy Forbes (Virginia) 757-382-0080 Chesapeake, 804-526-4969 Colonial Heights, 434-634-5575 Emporia

Steve King (Iowa) 641-782-2495 Creston, 712-580-7754 Spencer, 712-325-1404 Council Bluffs, 712-224-4692 Sioux City, 
712-732-4197 Storm Lake

Tom Feeney (Florida) 386-756-9798 Port Orange, 407-208-1106 Orlando, 321-264-6113 Titusville

Trent Franks (Arizona) 623-776-7911 Glendale

Louie Gohmert (Texas) 866-535-6302 Lufkin/Marshall/Nagadoches, 903-236-8597 Longview, 903-561-6349 Tyler

Jim Jordan (Ohio) 419-522-5757 Mansfield, 419-999-6455 Lima, 419-423-3210 Findlay

Supreme Court Justices

Chief Justice John Roberts

Associate Justices:

Samuel A. Alito
Clarence Thomas
Antonin Scalia
Anthony M. Kennedy
David H. Souter
John Paul Stevens
Stephen G. Breyer
Ruth Bader Ginsberg

How important is the Constitution to you? Forward this to all you know.

[SerafinQ]

Thanks for your post..let's keep this info on top of the latest posts:

Call the Republican members of the House Judiciary Committee – in their district offices while they’re home this week for Thanksgiving.

Ask them to “Please hold congressional hearings to investigate whether Barack Obama meets the basic constitutional requirements for the highest office of the land.”

Write a letter to the nine Justices of the United States Supreme Court (names are listed below) and put them in a FedEx (or other overnight) envelope to:

U.S. Supreme Court 1 First Street, N.E Washington, D.C. 20543

Our Constitution matters and defending it is going to take an outcry from the public. The electors vote on Dec. 15. The numbers are below and your immediate action is critically needed right now. Do it before defending our liberties costs a lot more than making some phone calls and writing a few letters.

The Republican House Judiciary members: Call them toll-free: 877-851-6427 or 202-225-3121, AND most importantly reach them in their district offices:

Lamar Smith (Texas), ranking member, critical in any hearings: 512-306-0439 Austin, 830-896-0154 Kerrville, and 210-821-5024 San Antonio.

James Sensenbrenner (Wisconsin) 800-242-1119 or 262-784-1111 Brookfield

Howard Coble (North Carolina) 336-333-5005 Greensboro, 336-626-3060 Asheboro, 336-886-5106 High Point, 226-229-0159 Graham, 704-209-0426 Granite Quarry

Elton Gallegly (California) 800-423-0023 or 805-497-2224 Thousand Oaks, 805-686-2525 Solvang

Bob Goodlatte (Virginia) 540-432-2391 Harrisonburg, 434-845-8306 Lynchburg, 540-857-2672 Roanoke, and 540-885-3861 Staunton

Steve Chabot (Ohio) 513-684-2723 Cincinnati

Dan Lungren (California) 916-859-9906 Gold River

Chris Cannon (Utah) 800-571-2971 Provo, 801-569-5125 West Jordan

Ric Keller (Florida) 407-872-1962 Orlando, 888-642-1211 Eustis, 888-642-1211 Ocala

Darrell Issa (California) 951-693-2447 Temecula, 760-599-5000 San Diego

Mike Pence (Indiana) 765-640-2919 Anderson, 765-962-2883 Richmond, 765-747-5566 Muncie

Randy Forbes (Virginia) 757-382-0080 Chesapeake, 804-526-4969 Colonial Heights, 434-634-5575 Emporia

Steve King (Iowa) 641-782-2495 Creston, 712-580-7754 Spencer, 712-325-1404 Council Bluffs, 712-224-4692 Sioux City, 712-732-4197 Storm Lake

Tom Feeney (Florida) 386-756-9798 Port Orange, 407-208-1106 Orlando, 321-264-6113 Titusville

Trent Franks (Arizona) 623-776-7911 Glendale

Louie Gohmert (Texas) 866-535-6302 Lufkin/Marshall/Nagadoches, 903-236-8597 Longview, 903-561-6349 Tyler

Jim Jordan (Ohio) 419-522-5757 Mansfield, 419-999-6455 Lima, 419-423-3210 Findlay

Supreme Court Justices

Chief Justice John Roberts

Associate Justices:

Samuel A. Alito

Clarence Thomas

Antonin Scalia

Anthony M. Kennedy

David H. Souter

John Paul Stevens

Stephen G. Breyer

Ruth Bader Ginsberg

How important is the Constitution to you? Forward this to all you know.

[Flamenco Lady]

I found this link today. http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html

The analysis of natural born citizen found on the web page is quite good and also does address my question to you about how the Founding Fathers looked at the citizenship of the mother. In summary, the citizenship of the father was what was considered to be inherited by the children, however it goes on to state that both parents had to be citizens and born on U.S. soil to be natural born.

A very good read that seems to substantiate Donofrio’s claims.

[seekthetruth]

NEW THREAD! PLEASE READ!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141298/posts

[arrogantsob]

Thanks for the link. My summation is that there are several areas of interest in it which are of interest.

1) There is no controversy over the fact that the Framers based their legal theory on English Law. The concept of Natural born is one such definition which, though it is not identical to, is based on Blackstone.

2) Much of the article is of little regard here but essentially the author’s argument leds to the conclusion that McCain is a Natural born citizen. He makes a big point about a potential “double allegiance” something not applicable to the son of a military family. There is no double allegiance in such a case.

3) King’s comment which is quoted that one who is a “member of the body politic” has allegiance to that body. This also affirms that McCain is eligible being born to citizens in service to that body politic.

4) I do not agree with the description of the reasons for the War of 1812. Impressment was only one issue.

5) Certainly military families are subject to the jurisdiction of the US government and McCain owes no allegiance to any other country.

6) St. George Tucker is quoted misquoting the constitutional requirement as “native born”. It is interesting to note that Kingdoms were not even constrained to take their Kings from native or natural born subjects hence William of Orange was from the Netherlands and the Hanoverian dynasty came from Germany.

7) This article does not support Donofrio’s argument against McCain’s eligibility at all. In fact, its arguments make it clear that he is eligible.

[seekthetruth]

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Joe Thunder has organized a Freedom March for this coming Friday in Washington D.C. to bring attention to the important decision to by made by our honorable Supreme Court Justices. Please read about the details at the Freedom March link below. Perhaps you know folks who live in the D.C. area who would want to join other Freepers and Patriots to show support for Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski in hopes there cases will be heard.

Please spread the word to Freepers you know and anyone on your email list who you know would want to help.
Please post the link on your Free Republic state board to help spread the word. Thanks so much! seekthetruth

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[Jewels7]

Someone wrote this:

“In an African journal article written in 2004, the Date of Birth was stated to be
july 18 and the parents were called Anna Toots and Barack Hussein Obama. You tell me, when and where was he really born and to whom?”

Can you please tell me how you found this? I found some other post on here were someone was referencing this July 18th birthday for BO?

Thanks