Posted on 11/14/2008 12:29:37 PM PST by atlbelle44
https://services.saccourt.com/indexsearchnew/CVFLPRDetail.aspx?Details=CV|2008-80000096|keyes|01/01/2008|12/31/2008|FilingDate|Asc|
http://www.soundinvestments.us/files/final_writ_keyes_v_bowen.pdf
Any updates on this case.
See post 600, this thread.
McCain/Biden?
You’re right. lets always continue to talk about McCain and his status.
How about talking about Obama and the cases against.
Go stick your head in the sand for general purposes.
That’s a good catch. However, there is a difference between a natural-born citizen and one who is naturalized.
What does the “natural-born citizen” law of that time read?
I think that CA precendent to removing someone is key. If they remove O then it will be like dominoes. The key will be what is on the birth certificate or more like COLB - if he was born in Kenya than he is done. He will have everyone trying to insure it does not say Kenya if it does. Who knows what is going on in HI. You know O people are there as well as people who do not want a Kenyan President.
Someone mentioned Keyes jumping in as an independent at the last minute and getting on CA ballot with a CA resident as VP. Why?
Keyes is a loyal (conservative) Republican and he is well liked by most conservatives. When The Minutemen were at the border, he was there. When O through devious means pushed out Ryan in IL - Keyes jumped in to try to save the seat.
He has always been a team player. One FR member posted last night that Keyes or others may know Obama was born in Kenya. Keyes was rushed on the ballot as an independent especially in CA with a CA resident as his VP. Was this an insurance policy?
One of Hillary’s biggest supporters jumped ship to McCain to raise money for McCain. She is part of possibly the wealthiest family in the world that is extremely secretive. Forbes estimates the net worth of billionaires in listings but this family never turns up.
Some people know Obama is far left and is connected or controlled by people outside of the U.S.. They have a lot invested in the U.S. and a O presidency could be the downfall of America. There may be a lot more to Keyes case than we realize.
>>>It is no coincidence that ACORN recieved money, training, and political stategy to target key battleground states to benefit the RAT nominee.
It is no coincidence the ACORN teams railroaded the Clinton campaign’s primary bid for the Presidency.
It is no coincidence that hundreds of millions of dollars rolled in from foreign interests and primarily the MiddleEast to make the abundant salaries, campaign offices, and advertisements possible. This enabled 5 to 1 and in some cases 10 to 1 outspending in essential states.
It is no coincidence that he fights like tooth and nail to suppress and deny all ordinary inquiries into his past by having docuents either lost or sealed from public view.
We have not been outvoted, we have been frauded from multiple directions.<<<
Very well said!
Alan Keyes is brilliant.
“This has never been adjudicated,”
It has always been that a military family on orders overseas has never worried about their children being natural born Americans with two married American citizens.
Trying to say otherwise is just a bunch of barracks lawyers trying to act smart.
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".
It has been modified or superseded over time to allow for citizenship to pass through the mother and to change the residency requirements to specific intervals, the 1934 Act previously cited being the first one to do that. Subsequently the residency requirements for a parent of a citizen and a non citizen to pretty short periods, and at the time of Obama's birth it was 10 years a resident, at least 5 after the age of 14 (1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act 301(a)(7)). Since Obama's Mama was too young at the time to meet these requirements, if Obama was born outside of the US or its possessions (say, in Kenya) he would not be a natural born citizen.
In the Act of November 14, 1986 301(g) (re-designated from 301(a)(7) in 1978) was modified to change 10 and 5 to 5 and 2, but that was after Obama's birth and does not appear to be retroactive.
Subsequently in The Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994 the residency requirements were extended to include grandparents (if granny met the requirements but mom and dad did not, you could still claim citizenship at birth).
What does the “natural-born citizen” law of that time read?
Thats the $64K question ...
From my research, I am of the feeling that, under the concept of “original intnet”, the terms “natural born citizen”, “citizen at birth”, and “citizen by birth” meant the SAME thing to the Founding Fathers.
As opposed to “naturalized citizen”.
Now, the FFs borrowed LIBERALLY from the Magna Carta and English Common Law, they also looked to Blackstone’s Commentaries on English Common Law.
Blackstone cites English precedent that children born abroad to two British subjects who owe their alleigiance to the King, and whose father is in service to the King, are INDEED natural born British subjects.
Since MOST of the lawyers in America at the time of the Constitutional Convention were trained in British Law, I believe that this would have been their interpretation.
Sorry I didn’t answer sooner, went to bed. Glad you got it though. :-)
When asked why the Jews willingly got on the train without a fight, the man looked puzzled for a moment, with tears in his eyes, he looked up and said "to us, it was just one more thing to be done".
You see, they had already made the Jews pariahs, made it hard for them to buy and sell, made them wear the identifying Star of David, made them give up arms..the government took their rights bit by bit, until their deaths came down to........One more thing to be done.
They were blindsided.
I don't want to be blindsided.
You stated that the “FFs borrowed LIBERALLY from the Magna Carta and English Common Law” whereas I would say that the “FFs borrowed EXTENSIVELY from the Magna Carta and English Common Law.” We wouldn't want to inadvertently taint the Founding Fathers, now, would we?
Dang what nut. Imagine advocating that the people have the right to the means to defend themselves, their loved ones, their property and their liberty. That the people are sovereign.
I guess the lawsuit doesn't stand a chance.
In a political and legal world in which our elites treat the Constitution with complete contempt, one certainly wonders.
“I and others are concerned that this issue be properly investigated and decided before Senator Obama takes office. Otherwise there will be a serious doubt as to the legitimacy of his tenure. This doubt would also affect the respect people have for the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. I hope the issue can be quickly clarified so that the new President can take office under no shadow of doubt. This will be good for him and for the nation.” - Alan Keyes
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