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CIA Says Osama Bin Laden Is Isolated, "alive and surviving"
CNN ^ | 11-13-2008 | CNN

Posted on 11/13/2008 7:52:48 PM PST by 82ndABNOfficer

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. intelligence agencies believe Osama bin Laden is isolated from al Qaeda and spending much of his energy merely surviving, the head of the CIA said on Thursday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; binladen; bush; bush43; bushlegacy; cia; counterterrorism; gwot; pakistan; wot
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To: beagleone

And he works at the 7-11 down the street.


141 posted on 11/14/2008 9:17:16 AM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer
"CIA Says Osama Bin Laden Is Isolated, "alive and surviving" "


142 posted on 11/14/2008 9:25:18 AM PST by musicman
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To: ForbesFan
No one has explained how he’s able to keep up with his dialysis going from cave to cave

Because that is a media started / web continued myth - The notion of UBL needing dialysis was debunked by several Gov'ts OGAs (including ours) back in the late 90s.

When one understands the region of the world where he is located along with the logistic complexities regarding both Intel and DA Ops, one understands how he has remained alive.

When one understands that Gulbuddin Hekmatyar & Jalaluddin Haqqani both remain alive and very much wanted dead, one understands how UBL has remained so as well. Ditto this for Zawahiri.

That these men remain alive (but hunted and running) is not a sign of failure on our part (possibly to a slight degree in terms of risk-adverse HQs) but speaks more simply to the region of the world in which they are located in.

Of the four (alone) HVTs I've mentioned above I'd be willing to bet we eventually put 3 in the ground ourselves with one of them dying of the elements of old age and on the run (that likely being Jalaluddin Haqqani).

Eyes in the sky are great and all, but in this region of the world they are only as great as the HUMINT we have to go along with them.

143 posted on 11/14/2008 9:34:40 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: taraytarah

that sounds about right. osama the martyr and obama the 12th imam/hero can start wearing a cape.


144 posted on 11/14/2008 9:41:08 AM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer
Logistics, logistics, logistics - The difference between the two (along with culture / customs). In terms of putting more men into each AO.

As for why Iraq, because it is the heart of the ME and is essential to the WOT. After 9-11 we were (smartly) not at war with only AQ or the Taliban. But understood this was a larger war than that.

145 posted on 11/14/2008 9:44:14 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: ExSoldier
If you do the research you'll see that even though the ROE for them is remarkably brief and fluid, some of the most important missions are killed by the bosses for senseless political reasons. That is no way to get a wily old fox like OBL. Gotta "grow a pair" and let slip the Dogs of War.

+1 - The shooters have long yearned for more balls out of HQ elements in Stan/Pak border regions - (and that is Mil-side-HQs, not CinC.

146 posted on 11/14/2008 9:49:39 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: AU72
I hear that. Iran needs a an attitude adjustment, but I don't think it will be Obama who gives it to them.

I believe that Iran must be naturalized, before we pull out.

147 posted on 11/14/2008 9:53:55 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer
I can’t. That was just one individual. There are a lot of hard working Men and Women at the CIA that are doing extraordinary things for the American people. Their collection methods and insight have turned the tide against Al-Qaeda in Iraq. They were instrumental in the fight for Baghdad and provided as much if not too much information to the average soldier on the ground. I have nothing but good things to say about the things the Agency did for us in Iraq

I've had nothing but good to say about the folks at the agency. With thousands vetted,coming in and out of that building yearly, it astounds me how folks tear Christians In Action a new one. There's always Murphy's Law, always a need for more intelligence but generally going into an Op we already knew that. Take care 82nd Officer.

148 posted on 11/14/2008 9:54:06 AM PST by Karliner ("Things are more like they are now than they ever were before. DDE)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Thank you for your support.

God bless our brave men and woman!


149 posted on 11/14/2008 9:54:41 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: roses of sharon

Saddam hated the Taliban and the Afghanis. He saw them as religious nutcases who were living in the Stone Age. As brutal as Saddam was, he was also a committed secularist who was interested in modernizing Iraq and making himself sole power source. He worked quite hard to disempower the mullahs, balance the religious sects against each other, and making Iraq a modern petrostate.

That was why Saddam was our friend back before he invaded Kuwait. He was seen as a secular force to moderate the Iranians, who had signed on to a theocracy.

If Saddam wanted to help the Afghanis, why didn’t he just get involved in Oct 2001 when started Operation Enduring Freedom? He stayed well away from that involvement.


150 posted on 11/14/2008 9:55:57 AM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: petercooper

Do not expect a rational response from liberals when it comes to the war and every other issue. The facts and history will vindicate us. Anyway we have won the war in Iraq.


151 posted on 11/14/2008 10:02:17 AM PST by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet
Knowing someone remains alive and knowing someones given location are two separate realities, both completely conceivably true.

There are numerous ways to conclude (even verify to a set date) that someone is/was alive, without being able to pinpoint their location in any actionable sense.

152 posted on 11/14/2008 10:11:36 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: aWolverine

They don’t even have to actually “get” Osama bin Laden to claim they did.

I’m not at all convinced he’s even still around to get anyway. They could just claim credit for what happened years ago. Who’s going to refute it, bin Laden? If he pops his head out of a cave to say, “Did not!”, great.


153 posted on 11/14/2008 10:12:20 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: Owl_Eagle
Question. Why would you assume UBL would want to give us information freely that otherwise he knows is costing us tremendously in life and treasure? If he can make us wonder if we are chasing a ghost all the better for him. And that is for the masses, not for those on the hunt for him. They know what they know and he knows that. He is looking to affect the masses / Western public opinion.

Do you seriously believe the CIA disbanded units looking for AQ HVTs? A TF name change alone would allow for the silly/irrelevant stories about Alec Station.

154 posted on 11/14/2008 10:18:50 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Eroteme

Think it through.

Suppose the CIA or any US agency claimed that OLB was well and truly dead.

How many seconds would it be before the left and all its leaders declare the WOT over and call for an immediate withdrawal of US forces from everywhere?


155 posted on 11/14/2008 10:21:35 AM PST by null and void (Hypothetically speaking, how do you make Molotov Cocktails when everything comes in plastic bottles?)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer

Maybe they can find a birth certificate by the end of this month.

A lot of good Americans sacrificed in Iraq and Afghanistan. Sadly Saudi A, UAE, China and others just bought our election.


156 posted on 11/14/2008 10:31:10 AM PST by Frantzie
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To: 82ndABNOfficer
Some background:

CIA Agents Confirm: Al Queda WAS In Iraq in Before Invasion

157 posted on 11/14/2008 10:33:19 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: 82ndABNOfficer

This is not a conventional war 82. The only way to win the WOT is to fight the war that came to us. A Holy War.

My theory is that our presence in Iraq is primarily to prevent a Caliphate. Islamic scripture says it’s capitol MUST be in Iraq and our goal is to use military might and intelligence capabilities, combined with a fundamental understanding of Jihad and it’s goals, to prevent it.

Our being in Iraq wasn’t random and wasn’t based as much on Saddam or WMD as it did the knowledge that the success, or failure, of the war on Jihad lies in Mesopotamia.

This knowledge is what separates the Bush administration from the Obama administration and is the primary reason we have stayed for as long as we have in the country. The containment of Iran, the country that wants to establish said Caliphate, is an added bonus.

We planted a US flag on the capitol of their Biblical base. If it holds it will likely be one of the most stunning accomplishments in world history.


158 posted on 11/14/2008 10:57:07 AM PST by HelloooClareece ("We make war that we may live in peace". Aristotle)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for all the links.


159 posted on 11/14/2008 11:08:20 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: musicman

ROFL!


160 posted on 11/14/2008 11:11:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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