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Steele Likely to Seek RNC Leadership Post
Fox News ^ | November 11, 2008 | Bill Sammon

Posted on 11/11/2008 2:05:16 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative

Michael Steele, former lieutenant governor of Maryland, has decided to run for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee and is in talks with Newt Gingrich to win the former House speaker's endorsement, FOX News learned Tuesday.

Steele declined to comment, but a source close to the situation said Steele would announce his candidacy as early as Thursday.

The source also contradicted a report in Tuesday's Washington Times that Steele and Gingrich were competing for the RNC post.

"There is no fight," the source said. "This tension between Michael Steele and Newt Gingrich is totally fabricated and, in fact, Gingrich and Steele are working together to create a new strategy for the direction of the GOP."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: gingrich; michaelsteele; newt; newtgingrich; republicans; rnc
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To: HonestConservative
It certainly wasn't in the first two Mrs. Gingrich's.

I'm sure you notice that calling attention to moral failings on the part of our guys on this board often elicits hoots of derision. But, the fact of the matter is that our woes as a nation all spring from immorality in one form or another. Our founders were crysyal clear on this.

One said that the republic we were given was for a moral people and unfit for any other.

221 posted on 11/12/2008 8:20:30 AM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Recruit training at Parris Island from October 20)
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To: K-oneTexas; xzins
Stay there. That will do you a world of good when the national security of this country is gone, the military is downsized and you pockets are empty. Sometimes there are more important issues [than the right to life]

Your attitude [that there are issues more important than the right to life] is what got us Obama.

All other rights, including our right to be secure, stem from the unalienable right to life.

222 posted on 11/12/2008 8:21:18 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: K-oneTexas
Okay, lets toss Steele overboard since he isn't the pure Conservative. Where do we go next.

Actually there is a litmus test by which to judge a "conservative."

He or She must be of the original intent/strict constructionist mindset as it applies to the US Constitution.

Nowhere in the 2nd Amendment is there a delineation of weapons type, excepting the "militia" clause, therefore one would think as a minimum, assault type rifles would be mandatory with all other individually operated firearms coming along close behind.

Nowhere in the 14th Amendment is the word abortion mentioned. As a matter of course Roe v Wade must be overturned to correct the mistake of a liberal and overreaching USSC on this point. As a result will all abortions become automatically banned? Of course not! Overturning Roe merely returns the question of abortion to each individual state, where it should be.

Where do we go next? We go with the new blood that adheres to time honored conservative principles. ALL conservative principles must be met or none apply. Palin, Kasich, Jindal to name a few. But there are many others.

223 posted on 11/12/2008 8:33:27 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Madeleine Ward
What about Haley Barbour?
224 posted on 11/12/2008 8:35:17 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: P-Marlowe

No my attitude is one of realism. Without a country we have no right to life.


225 posted on 11/12/2008 8:40:31 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: ExSoldier

I see a lot of attitudes here that have no room for anything but what I say.

My first choice was Hunter, basically still is. However this election seasoned proved that the people have no choice.

The young blood is fine, I agree we need it. But I can be faithful to Pro-life and still hold dear the defense of this country from enemies internal and external as my first priority.

Pleas don’t try to tell me I must fit your mold or you’ll take your marbles and go home.

Just go home.


226 posted on 11/12/2008 8:44:17 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: ExSoldier
Conservative principles were best laid out by Russell Kirk.

Ten Conservative Principles

by Russell Kirk

Being neither a religion nor an ideology, the body of opinion termed conservatism possesses no Holy Writ and no Das Kapital to provide dogmata. So far as it is possible to determine what conservatives believe, the first principles of the conservative persuasion are derived from what leading conservative writers and public men have professed during the past two centuries. After some introductory remarks on this general theme, I will proceed to list ten such conservative principles.

Perhaps it would be well, most of the time, to use this word “conservative” as an adjective chiefly. For there exists no Model Conservative, and conservatism is the negation of ideology: it is a state of mind, a type of character, a way of looking at the civil social order.

The attitude we call conservatism is sustained by a body of sentiments, rather than by a system of ideological dogmata. It is almost true that a conservative may be defined as a person who thinks himself such. The conservative movement or body of opinion can accommodate a considerable diversity of views on a good many subjects, there being no Test Act or Thirty-Nine Articles of the conservative creed.

In essence, the conservative person is simply one who finds the permanent things more pleasing than Chaos and Old Night. (Yet conservatives know, with Burke, that healthy “change is the means of our preservation.”) A people’s historic continuity of experience, says the conservative, offers a guide to policy far better than the abstract designs of coffee-house philosophers. But of course there is more to the conservative persuasion than this general attitude.

It is not possible to draw up a neat catalogue of conservatives’ convictions; nevertheless, I offer you, summarily, ten general principles; it seems safe to say that most conservatives would subscribe to most of these maxims. In various editions of my book The Conservative Mind I have listed certain canons of conservative thought—the list differing somewhat from edition to edition; in my anthology The Portable Conservative Reader I offer variations upon this theme. Now I present to you a summary of conservative assumptions differing somewhat from my canons in those two books of mine. In fine, the diversity of ways in which conservative views may find expression is itself proof that conservatism is no fixed ideology. What particular principles conservatives emphasize during any given time will vary with the circumstances and necessities of that era. The following ten articles of belief reflect the emphases of conservatives in America nowadays.

First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent.

This word order signifies harmony. There are two aspects or types of order: the inner order of the soul, and the outer order of the commonwealth. Twenty-five centuries ago, Plato taught this doctrine, but even the educated nowadays find it difficult to understand. The problem of order has been a principal concern of conservatives ever since conservative became a term of politics.

Our twentieth-century world has experienced the hideous consequences of the collapse of belief in a moral order. Like the atrocities and disasters of Greece in the fifth century before Christ, the ruin of great nations in our century shows us the pit into which fall societies that mistake clever self-interest, or ingenious social controls, for pleasing alternatives to an oldfangled moral order.

It has been said by liberal intellectuals that the conservative believes all social questions, at heart, to be questions of private morality. Properly understood, this statement is quite true. A society in which men and women are governed by belief in an enduring moral order, by a strong sense of right and wrong, by personal convictions about justice and honor, will be a good society—whatever political machinery it may utilize; while a society in which men and women are morally adrift, ignorant of norms, and intent chiefly upon gratification of appetites, will be a bad society—no matter how many people vote and no matter how liberal its formal constitution may be.

Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity. It is old custom that enables people to live together peaceably; the destroyers of custom demolish more than they know or desire. It is through convention—a word much abused in our time—that we contrive to avoid perpetual disputes about rights and duties: law at base is a body of conventions. Continuity is the means of linking generation to generation; it matters as much for society as it does for the individual; without it, life is meaningless. When successful revolutionaries have effaced old customs, derided old conventions, and broken the continuity of social institutions—why, presently they discover the necessity of establishing fresh customs, conventions, and continuity; but that process is painful and slow; and the new social order that eventually emerges may be much inferior to the old order that radicals overthrew in their zeal for the Earthly Paradise.

Conservatives are champions of custom, convention, and continuity because they prefer the devil they know to the devil they don’t know. Order and justice and freedom, they believe, are the artificial products of a long social experience, the result of centuries of trial and reflection and sacrifice. Thus the body social is a kind of spiritual corporation, comparable to the church; it may even be called a community of souls. Human society is no machine, to be treated mechanically. The continuity, the life-blood, of a society must not be interrupted. Burke’s reminder of the necessity for prudent change is in the mind of the conservative. But necessary change, conservatives argue, ought to he gradual and discriminatory, never unfixing old interests at once.

Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription. Conservatives sense that modern people are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, able to see farther than their ancestors only because of the great stature of those who have preceded us in time. Therefore conservatives very often emphasize the importance of prescription—that is, of things established by immemorial usage, so that the mind of man runneth not to the contrary. There exist rights of which the chief sanction is their antiquity—including rights to property, often. Similarly, our morals are prescriptive in great part. Conservatives argue that we are unlikely, we moderns, to make any brave new discoveries in morals or politics or taste. It is perilous to weigh every passing issue on the basis of private judgment and private rationality. The individual is foolish, but the species is wise, Burke declared. In politics we do well to abide by precedent and precept and even prejudice, for the great mysterious incorporation of the human race has acquired a prescriptive wisdom far greater than any man’s petty private rationality.

Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence. Burke agrees with Plato that in the statesman, prudence is chief among virtues. Any public measure ought to be judged by its probable long-run consequences, not merely by temporary advantage or popularity. Liberals and radicals, the conservative says, are imprudent: for they dash at their objectives without giving much heed to the risk of new abuses worse than the evils they hope to sweep away. As John Randolph of Roanoke put it, Providence moves slowly, but the devil always hurries. Human society being complex, remedies cannot be simple if they are to be efficacious. The conservative declares that he acts only after sufficient reflection, having weighed the consequences. Sudden and slashing reforms are as perilous as sudden and slashing surgery.

Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety. They feel affection for the proliferating intricacy of long-established social institutions and modes of life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and deadening egalitarianism of radical systems. For the preservation of a healthy diversity in any civilization, there must survive orders and classes, differences in material condition, and many sorts of inequality. The only true forms of equality are equality at the Last Judgment and equality before a just court of law; all other attempts at levelling must lead, at best, to social stagnation. Society requires honest and able leadership; and if natural and institutional differences are destroyed, presently some tyrant or host of squalid oligarchs will create new forms of inequality.

Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability. Human nature suffers irremediably from certain grave faults, the conservatives know. Man being imperfect, no perfect social order ever can be created. Because of human restlessness, mankind would grow rebellious under any utopian domination, and would break out once more in violent discontent—or else expire of boredom. To seek for utopia is to end in disaster, the conservative says: we are not made for perfect things. All that we reasonably can expect is a tolerably ordered, just, and free society, in which some evils, maladjustments, and suffering will continue to lurk. By proper attention to prudent reform, we may preserve and improve this tolerable order. But if the old institutional and moral safeguards of a nation are neglected, then the anarchic impulse in humankind breaks loose: “the ceremony of innocence is drowned.” The ideologues who promise the perfection of man and society have converted a great part of the twentieth-century world into a terrestrial hell.

Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked. Separate property from private possession, and Leviathan becomes master of all. Upon the foundation of private property, great civilizations are built. The more widespread is the possession of private property, the more stable and productive is a commonwealth. Economic levelling, conservatives maintain, is not economic progress. Getting and spending are not the chief aims of human existence; but a sound economic basis for the person, the family, and the commonwealth is much to be desired.

Sir Henry Maine, in his Village Communities, puts strongly the case for private property, as distinguished from communal property: “Nobody is at liberty to attack several property and to say at the same time that he values civilization. The history of the two cannot be disentangled.” For the institution of several property—that is, private property—has been a powerful instrument for teaching men and women responsibility, for providing motives to integrity, for supporting general culture, for raising mankind above the level of mere drudgery, for affording leisure to think and freedom to act. To be able to retain the fruits of one’s labor; to be able to see one’s work made permanent; to be able to bequeath one’s property to one’s posterity; to be able to rise from the natural condition of grinding poverty to the security of enduring accomplishment; to have something that is really one’s own—these are advantages difficult to deny. The conservative acknowledges that the possession of property fixes certain duties upon the possessor; he accepts those moral and legal obligations cheerfully.

Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism. Although Americans have been attached strongly to privacy and private rights, they also have been a people conspicuous for a successful spirit of community. In a genuine community, the decisions most directly affecting the lives of citizens are made locally and voluntarily. Some of these functions are carried out by local political bodies, others by private associations: so long as they are kept local, and are marked by the general agreement of those affected, they constitute healthy community. But when these functions pass by default or usurpation to centralized authority, then community is in serious danger. Whatever is beneficent and prudent in modern democracy is made possible through cooperative volition. If, then, in the name of an abstract Democracy, the functions of community are transferred to distant political direction—why, real government by the consent of the governed gives way to a standardizing process hostile to freedom and human dignity.

For a nation is no stronger than the numerous little communities of which it is composed. A central administration, or a corps of select managers and civil servants, however well intentioned and well trained, cannot confer justice and prosperity and tranquility upon a mass of men and women deprived of their old responsibilities. That experiment has been made before; and it has been disastrous. It is the performance of our duties in community that teaches us prudence and efficiency and charity.

Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions. Politically speaking, power is the ability to do as one likes, regardless of the wills of one’s fellows. A state in which an individual or a small group are able to dominate the wills of their fellows without check is a despotism, whether it is called monarchical or aristocratic or democratic. When every person claims to be a power unto himself, then society falls into anarchy. Anarchy never lasts long, being intolerable for everyone, and contrary to the ineluctable fact that some persons are more strong and more clever than their neighbors. To anarchy there succeeds tyranny or oligarchy, in which power is monopolized by a very few.

The conservative endeavors to so limit and balance political power that anarchy or tyranny may not arise. In every age, nevertheless, men and women are tempted to overthrow the limitations upon power, for the sake of some fancied temporary advantage. It is characteristic of the radical that he thinks of power as a force for good—so long as the power falls into his hands. In the name of liberty, the French and Russian revolutionaries abolished the old restraints upon power; but power cannot be abolished; it always finds its way into someone’s hands. That power which the revolutionaries had thought oppressive in the hands of the old regime became many times as tyrannical in the hands of the radical new masters of the state.

Knowing human nature for a mixture of good and evil, the conservative does not put his trust in mere benevolence. Constitutional restrictions, political checks and balances, adequate enforcement of the laws, the old intricate web of restraints upon will and appetite—these the conservative approves as instruments of freedom and order. A just government maintains a healthy tension between the claims of authority and the claims of liberty.

Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society. The conservative is not opposed to social improvement, although he doubts whether there is any such force as a mystical Progress, with a Roman P, at work in the world. When a society is progressing in some respects, usually it is declining in other respects. The conservative knows that any healthy society is influenced by two forces, which Samuel Taylor Coleridge called its Permanence and its Progression. The Permanence of a society is formed by those enduring interests and convictions that gives us stability and continuity; without that Permanence, the fountains of the great deep are broken up, society slipping into anarchy. The Progression in a society is that spirit and that body of talents which urge us on to prudent reform and improvement; without that Progression, a people stagnate.

Therefore the intelligent conservative endeavors to reconcile the claims of Permanence and the claims of Progression. He thinks that the liberal and the radical, blind to the just claims of Permanence, would endanger the heritage bequeathed to us, in an endeavor to hurry us into some dubious Terrestrial Paradise. The conservative, in short, favors reasoned and temperate progress; he is opposed to the cult of Progress, whose votaries believe that everything new necessarily is superior to everything old.

Change is essential to the body social, the conservative reasons, just as it is essential to the human body. A body that has ceased to renew itself has begun to die. But if that body is to be vigorous, the change must occur in a regular manner, harmonizing with the form and nature of that body; otherwise change produces a monstrous growth, a cancer, which devours its host. The conservative takes care that nothing in a society should ever be wholly old, and that nothing should ever be wholly new. This is the means of the conservation of a nation, quite as it is the means of conservation of a living organism. Just how much change a society requires, and what sort of change, depend upon the circumstances of an age and a nation.

Such, then, are ten principles that have loomed large during the two centuries of modern conservative thought. Other principles of equal importance might have been discussed here: the conservative understanding of justice, for one, or the conservative view of education. But such subjects, time running on, I must leave to your private investigation.

The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal.

 

 

227 posted on 11/12/2008 8:47:46 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
Pleas don’t try to tell me I must fit your mold or you’ll take your marbles and go home. Just go home.

You first. I've been here a lot longer than you.

I had a Hunter sticker on my car right from the beginning. He would be among the best, I agree. My first priority is and always will be protection from enemies foreign and domestic as Freeper Travis McGee's books on the subject so aptly describe. EFAD

I'm a pro lifer to the extent that what anybody wants to do with their body is between them and God, but don't ask me to pay for it. Therefore, Roe must be overturned. That's not as likely to happen as mass suicide bombings by Jihadis right here on home soil and that of course must be the first threat to be addressed. The best way to do this is to ensure the great majority of the populace have access to arms and the right to carry them in public. That's not going to happen under the big "O" so we have much more to worry about in the short term as far as our national security goes.

228 posted on 11/12/2008 9:01:01 AM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: evad
Steele has said that the principle of stare decisis ought to be followed.

Odd that stare decisis isn't included in the oath of office for judges, at any level, since it seems to be one of the few principles judges can be expected to usually adhere to. Apparently it is more meaningful to a judge than is his sacred oath.

How does Steele feel about stare decisis in light of the Dred Scott decision?

229 posted on 11/12/2008 9:01:35 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: don-o

Yep.

We need to start with new blood.

Out with old.

Clean slate and all that.


230 posted on 11/12/2008 9:11:50 AM PST by HonestConservative (Go Baroke with Barack)
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To: SecAmndmt

I think you’re wrong on that.

My only concern is can Steele build the party at the grassroots level, build party infrastructure, and raise cold hard cash?


231 posted on 11/12/2008 9:23:37 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: K-oneTexas
Without a country we have no right to life.

You don't really believe that, do you?

232 posted on 11/12/2008 9:24:01 AM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Recruit training at Parris Island from October 20)
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To: don-o

You would call it a life living under a dictatorship? I would not. If the State is in control ... you are not.


233 posted on 11/12/2008 9:40:06 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: ExSoldier

I will say exactly what I said. Doesn’t matter if you have been here longer. Would I like to see Roe vs Wade overturned? Yes.

Will I stop pressing and fighting for other principles no.

Will I not support a candidate who agrees with me on all other issues except Roe? NO!


234 posted on 11/12/2008 9:41:48 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: K-oneTexas
"....that they are endowed by their __________ with certain inalienable rights...."

Fill in the blank. Then think some more about what you seem to be assigning to the state.

235 posted on 11/12/2008 9:48:27 AM PST by don-o (My son, Ben - Recruit training at Parris Island from October 20)
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To: don-o

Look at a Totalitarian regime. Marxist, Socialist.

You speak as though all government have the same Constitution the US has. They don’t. Others don’t guarantee you a right to life.

Just to take care of you “from the cradle to the grave.”

Thanks but no thanks.


236 posted on 11/12/2008 9:50:17 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: gogeo
He's why we were where we were...or do you think that the first congressional majority in 40 years was a bad thing?

"Oh, gosh darnit, say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again, bringing up the past again!"

The Way We Were is a Streisand song. Yes, indeed Newt brought us the Republican Revolution. That was one of the greatest moments in American history. But Newt dropped the ball big time and helped squander it. He's been kissing up to 'Rats ever since. We need new blood.

237 posted on 11/12/2008 9:50:34 AM PST by LiberConservative (Typical white guy)
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To: K-oneTexas; P-Marlowe
Sometimes there are more important issues because without fiscal sanity and being secure within our borders ... the social issues will matter a tinkers damn.

This is the mistake that conservatives fall into. Preservation of innocent life is not a social issue. It is a moral issue.

238 posted on 11/12/2008 10:00:49 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
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To: wmfights
Preservation of innocent life is not a social issue. It is a moral issue.

And yet I'm sure we can find people on Free Republic--on this very thread, no doubt--who have no moral problem with the IUD or the pill.

239 posted on 11/12/2008 10:03:17 AM PST by Petronski (Things fall apart, it's scientific.)
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To: dbacks
She would be great, but not available. She is in Alaska, doing what leaders do! Sarah being Sarah, is the reason for her popularity. When Reagan in a skirt showed up, it wasn't to show up and lose.

When you look at how the Goofy Old Partian hacks have tried to eliminate her, one starts to understand the party's problem. When the party returns to it's roots, they will get have got a clue.

We got crushed, like Reagan crushed Mondale. Obama wasn't the problem though, it was strategy. Consider that the "O" beat us at more than two to one in the electorial (364 to 163) vote. it's pretty ugly. When you realize that the truth of the matter is, we lost by a little more than 6.6% (8,305,854 vote difference in 124,443,236) time to analyze.

One simple truth stands out - It was because Sarah alone almost won the race! The GOP better start grappling with the new reality of who, what, when, where, along with the how's, and whys's, an election can be won! They lost the house, and senate in 2006, and went backwards in 2008. Better think that it's time to dump this stock, I mean leadership, and get a team on board with some ideas that actually work.

Sarah Palin is a team leader, not a follower of old school failed procedure. Better get used to it party, or there maybe a shift to a "new" third party. The clock is ticking...

Thinking that the party might actually do well with Michael Steele...if he moves to the right. Otherwise, they should try to get Haley Barbour, someone who knows how to be in the winners circle.
240 posted on 11/12/2008 10:04:01 AM PST by Issaquahking (Obama won the election, and America lost!)
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