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Sarah Palin: The GOP's Best Hope in 2012
Pajamas Media ^ | Katherine Berry

Posted on 11/09/2008 8:14:45 AM PST by AJKauf

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To: Mr. Silverback
She energized the base. She will do so again in four years.

Energizing the base is great. Unfortunately, it's not enough to win a general election. You also have to appeal to the middle, and that's something Sarah doesn't do.

Furthermore, I would argue that she only energizes part of the base, namely rural values voters. While I have nothing against this voting bloc, they need to remember that they are not the only part of the Republican base.

Sarah is pretty unpopular among the more cosmopolitan pro-business wing of the party. Dissing Americans who live in the cities by claiming that only rural Americans are patriotic doesn't help her in this respect.

Sarah Palin represents the new identity politics that threatens to relegate our party to regional status.

101 posted on 11/09/2008 9:51:20 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Stunned
Well said!

Sarah Palin is little more than Mike Huckabee in a skirt.

The way the rednecks are trying to take over our party I find very disturbing.

102 posted on 11/09/2008 9:52:53 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity

“The way the rednecks are trying to take over our party I find very disturbing.”

Define Redneck. Let’s see just who it is you want eliminated.
Come on, let’s hear it.


103 posted on 11/09/2008 9:54:22 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: AuntB
Define Redneck. Let’s see just who it is you want eliminated.

I don't want to eliminate anyone. I just don't want to see any faction of the party gain excessive influence. And right now, the rural evangelical wing of the party is gaining way too much influence.

Can't we have a candidate who can appeal to the rednecks without pandering to them and playing identity politics with them? Because that's exactly what Sarah Palin is doing and exactly the same thing that Huckabee did. If we keep this up, we will become a regional party.

104 posted on 11/09/2008 10:01:03 PM PST by curiosity
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To: curiosity; Issaquahking; SierraWasp; calcowgirl; Jeff Head; blackie

“the rural evangelical wing of the party is gaining way too much influence.”

How? Where? In the white house? Congress? What Federal laws in the last 50 years have benefitted ‘rural evangelicals?’

ROFMAO!

All ‘rural’ people aren’t evangelical. Most Evangelicals aren’t ‘rural’. You need to learn what to fear. The Rino’s been running the show during and since Reagan. We ‘rural’ people would like a little representation, thank you. Unless of course, YOU decide we don’t have that right.

Sarah Palin bothers you because she’s not some beltway over educated indoctrinated Rino.

Your bigotry is showing.


105 posted on 11/09/2008 10:11:38 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: curiosity

“Palin is doing and exactly the same thing that Huckabee did”

If you can’t see the difference in Palin and Huckster, then I can’t help you.

Bye.


106 posted on 11/09/2008 10:14:40 PM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Mercat

107 posted on 11/09/2008 10:18:10 PM PST by timestax ( CNNLIES)
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To: curiosity
You also have to appeal to the middle, and that's something Sarah doesn't do.

So... you want her to move further left? On what issues, specifically?

108 posted on 11/09/2008 10:28:22 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: curiosity
Sarah is pretty unpopular among the more cosmopolitan pro-business wing of the party.

If that's true, then it was those people, not the conservative values voter types, who stayed home and cost us this election, because...

"Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable."
Source.

Dissing Americans who live in the cities by claiming that only rural Americans are patriotic doesn't help her in this respect.

I don't believe she said that, or that she believes that. Feel free to show me where, but bear in mind that the only reason this was even discussed is because The One famously dissed small town types.

We're not taking any more pathetic RINOs from the DC tarpit.

109 posted on 11/10/2008 6:47:25 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (It's time to turn about, like Sheridan at Cedar Creek. Let's punch them out of their boots!)
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To: AuntB

Sorry I was asleep for this battle!


110 posted on 11/10/2008 7:14:25 AM PST by Issaquahking (This is the kind of person our forefathers wanted to run the country!!! Go Sarah Go!!!)
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To: curiosity; Diogenesis
Great line, curio!!! : )

It has been shown the leaks are not coming from Mitt and still lying posters, like Dio, continue to post boldfaced lies. We will never win with people like you misleading the way, and I'm sure that's the plan.

You fool us no longer. You're a MOLE, dio. Go back to the leftist slum from whence you came.

111 posted on 11/10/2008 8:01:39 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: Zipporah

And the MSM saw to that. They couldn’t be more culpable. It is totally unrealistic to ignore that.


112 posted on 11/10/2008 8:04:24 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: curiosity
Curio, it is because of the media and ONLY because of the media, that Governor Palin was unable to influence people in the middle. People across the spectrum, from the base, seemed to like her just fine.

The lesson learned here, is that until the MSM loses their influence and power, we cannot pick candidates who have not already been vetted nationally. McCain's campaign should have had ads defining her the day they announced she would be the VP. But I'm not sure even that would have worked.

113 posted on 11/10/2008 8:13:01 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: curiosity
Curio, I've been living in the city all my life. And I must tell you, all the Republicans I've met around here LOVE Palin and I ate dinner with a room full of them election eve. I'm sure there are some exceptions, there always is, but in general she was quite popular with Republicans in my neck of the woods (Philly).

Furthermore, give me rural people over city people any day. They are far nicer and far more decent. I wasn't hurt in the least when Sarah made the comment. In many cases it's true. It's small town America, that so far, has saved the United States from falling into a socialistic pit entirely.

114 posted on 11/10/2008 8:21:15 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: Issaquahking

Me too!


115 posted on 11/10/2008 8:21:55 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: AuntB
"Your bigotry is showing."

Plus, the party to whom you are responding is obviously totally oblivious to the intended consequences of the Warren Court's "Cows Don't Vote" decision just about 50 years ago!!!

116 posted on 11/10/2008 8:23:29 AM PST by SierraWasp (Welcome to the USSA on it's way to join the third whirled in mutual misery with Barak Odrama!!!)
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To: TAdams8591
MORE MYTH from MYTH ROMNEY and the Hatred of RomneyBOT for Educated Women

"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald.
Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said:
"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."

Proving Romney is a congential liar is #1:

"Yesterday (12/20/07), Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true.
"Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,"
he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.

Proving Romney is a congential liar is #2:

"On Sunday, June 23, 1963, 125,000 people marched down Detroit's Woodward Avenue
to the Civic Center, in what was described at the time as the largest civil-rights demonstration in the nation's history.
According to the next day's account in the Holland Evening Sentinel,
the crowd at the Center "lustily booed," when representatives of Governor George W. Romney
read a proclamation declaring "Freedom March Day in Michigan." But Martin Luther King Jr. didn't fault Romney for his absence,
which the governor ascribed to his policy against public appearances on the Sabbath.
"At a news conference following the march . .
[King] refused to criticize Romney for not attending the demonstration," the Sentinel reported."

Proving Romney is a congential liar is #3:

Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era,
says Myth Romney was untruthful, when she told the Globe yesterday:
"I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."

Proving Romney is a congential liar is #4:

"King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society,
and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published.
“I’m quite certain of that
,” says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society"


Of course, you RomneyBOTs continued to attack these educated women,
just as they have against Gov. Palin and her little children,
just as they have against honorable FReepers
who have spoken the Truth about Myth Romney and venal, odious deeds.

117 posted on 11/10/2008 8:32:50 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis
You have told a 1000 times as many lies on this forum about Romney, than Romney supposedly has told. He was not the source for the leaks, and yet you continue to lie and say that he was. You have become worse than your imagined enemy.

So Romney thought his father marched with Martin Luther King? Memories from our youth are not always accurate. It proves nothing.

But your continued lying posts on this forum tell us everthing we need to know about you. There are moles all over this board. You're one of them.

118 posted on 11/10/2008 8:44:00 AM PST by TAdams8591 (McCain/Palin ' 08 (Obama IS a socialist!))
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To: TAdams8591
Each post about Romney's lies has been documented.

Whine all you want. Romney DIRECTED others to leak the
information against Gov. Palin, so your disassembling the words is not relevant
but is consistent with RomneyBOT trying to 'pull the wool' over everyones' eyes.


MORE ON MYTH ROMNEY's LIES:

Myth Romney incredibly made up stories
and awarded himself 'awards'.

"Behind the empty gestures and deceptive rhetoric, Romney was not pro-life
or a defender of marriage by any stretch of the imagination.
He was a disaster," said O'Gorman, of the board for Massachusetts Citizens for Life.
He said Romney "deceptively" claims to have been awarded
a pro-life award from the group.

"The award Romney arranged for himself with the local Pioneer Valley Chapter
was the Mullins Award for Political Leadership, not a pro-life award
and not approved by MCFL's state board of directors," he said.
"We're blowing the whistle to warn voters…
"

[Family leaders call Romney 'disaster' - Letter criticizes 'deceptive rhetoric' around candidate]

119 posted on 11/10/2008 11:11:46 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: curiosity

I am a Sarah Palin fan, am supportive of her being the first woman President and I am NO REDNECK!! I don’t know where you get off calling someone a redneck. The problem with the GOP is it has no faction....much less ‘any faction’....the GOP has lost it’s identity. Now, if you want the GOP to be like the so called conservative Democrats then you are still advocating a move to the left. This country will not survive with only a left wing on the eagle. The right wing is required in order for it to fly!! There is a way to package conservative and traditional American values that differ from the liberal view that would make it palatable to more Americans. That is where the energy in the GOP party needs to be utilized...not calling some of us rednecks, or hillbillies, or white trash because we are more to the right than obviously you are.


120 posted on 11/10/2008 11:30:48 AM PST by imfrmdixie
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