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Political Battle Under Way Within GOP, Say Conservative Leaders
cnsnews.com ^ | November 05, 2008 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 11/05/2008 4:59:01 AM PST by kellynla

CNSNews.com) – Facing the most liberal president and Congress in a generation, conservative stalwarts do not blame the GOP’s disastrous election performance solely on Republican nominee John McCain or on President George W. Bush. The ultimate culprit, some say, has been big government Republicanism.

Long-time conservative activist Richard Viguerie thinks the Republican Party’s problem this year is not unlike its problem in previous election cycles.

“Moderate and liberal have not done very well,” Viguerie, the chairman of ConservativeHQ.com, told CNSNews.com. “Both Bushes had problems, and Bush the son nearly destroyed the Republican Party. People are looking for a clear conservative choice.”

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, said this is not the first time Republicans have had a bad election cycle.

“We will get the same advice from the establishment press, which will advise the party to move left,” he said. But when that was tried, it did not work, Norquist told CNSNews.com.

He said Republicans win by running on President Ronald Reagan’s ideas and lose when they move left. He cited President George H. W. Bush’s failed reelection campaign in 1992 after running successfully as a Reagan tax-cutter in 1988, as well as Bob Dole in 1996 who had previously opposed the Reagan tax cuts, and now McCain, who has supported legislation on campaign finance reform and global warming.

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To: kellynla

Yup running to the middle and the illegals worked out so well for thr Reps!!


141 posted on 11/05/2008 6:10:03 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit.)
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To: listenhillary

“Time to declare economic war on the left stream media. Politely go after their advertisers again and again until they block our phone numbers. (Then get another phone.)”

I like this idea. We need to start taking care of this stuff now rather than 6 months before the 2012 election.


142 posted on 11/05/2008 6:10:35 AM PST by redk
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To: Gunder
This party is facing oblivion if it continues to cater solely to white, suburban/rural voters in the South.

What an assinine comment. The problem with republicans is that they tried to out-liberalize liberals. If they actually catered to southern whites, they would have run on traditional values, small government, etc. Instead, we got John McCain talking about global warming as if it were true. Come on people, nobody ran as a conservative this go-round.

143 posted on 11/05/2008 6:10:59 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: randita
The primary system allowed Independents and Democrats to pick our nominee. They got the guy they wanted to run against.

We allowed independents and democrats to pick our nominee. Then We spent three months whining about each of our hundreds of grievances about said nominee. The primaries are where our salvation is. We need to know what we want, as a party, and work toward that goal.

144 posted on 11/05/2008 6:11:53 AM PST by Skid Marx
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To: Gunder

Could Arnold run for a Senate seat?


145 posted on 11/05/2008 6:12:39 AM PST by redk
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To: Skid Marx
They did. And Republicans bought it. In important states, stayed away in large numbers.

They did? And your source of this statement is . . . .????? Or is that just an opinion off the top of your head?

146 posted on 11/05/2008 6:12:53 AM PST by RetiredArmy (America as founded is finished.)
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To: kellynla

I think Grover Norquist is right though, and the GOP establishment in Washington will take the media’s advice.


147 posted on 11/05/2008 6:12:55 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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To: kellynla

1. Secure the border.

2. Allow our boys to finish our wars.

3. Prioritize the hunting and killing of those who attack us over all else. (Osama Bin Laden)

4. Prosecute and execute traitors.

5. USE the power we give you to do OUR will, bipartisanship be damned. WE will fire your lazy, impotent butts, not the democrats.

GET THE POINT RINOS ?


148 posted on 11/05/2008 6:13:26 AM PST by SENTINEL (SGT USMC COMBAT VET.)
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To: mabelkitty
“...Jindal and Palin are our best hope, and we need to recruit more like them and support them. I’m tired of seeing the party run by people who have NOTHING in common with me.”

The sad truth is that America on TV DID look more like the young, energized Obama than the elderly McCain. Palin wasn;t enough to overcome the fact that McCain sounded half in the grave this campaign.

We need to return to rock solid conservative positions and find candidates under 50 years old. I worked for the Bob Dole campaign and it hurt to watch this great man and great patriot become irrelevant to the masses. He was too old to be an effective president. The Baby Boom generation doesn't see itself as old and they can't relate to candidates of their own era. They look to youth. IF we can't field young candidates with fresh approaches to REAL conservatism, its over. America becomes a one-party state until the collapse.

Every last person in leadership at RNC, et al should resign today and make room for new leadership. That won't happen.

149 posted on 11/05/2008 6:14:47 AM PST by April Lexington (I'm voting for McCain in 2008 and Jefferson Davis in 2012)
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To: Enterprise
You have this nailed.

“Well, by then there will be anywhere from 12 to 20 million illegal aliens, with millions more on the way, granted permanent legal resident status and voting rights by Obama. 2010 will merely be a rubber stamp of 2008 on steroids.”

Just look at the 2004 election map and then the map of the is election. The urban centers have won it and we are not going back.

We just had a guy that openly said he is going to take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots. He was elected by the have-nots, and they out number us now. Their numbers are growing everyday they will continue to win at the polls and the demand for your money is going to increase with every new Dem.

150 posted on 11/05/2008 6:15:06 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: rollo tomasi

” With a low approval rating the dem Congress just became stronger. 2010 the dem’s machine will respond by remembering 1994. Welcome to a total European collectivist State.”

Obama deftly covered that in his speech. He talked about things taking 1 possibly 2 years.

Sad to see an acceptance speech be a continuation of a campaign.


151 posted on 11/05/2008 6:15:16 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: kellynla
Its hunting season!
152 posted on 11/05/2008 6:15:21 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Aleutica, the new name of Free Alaska)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

He next best move would be to go to the senate and rebuild her gravitas.

REMEMBER DRILL BABY DRILL?

the ban is expired, will they put it back and hurt the nations ecconomy?

WE CAN ask that question.

BAN = HURT ECCONOMY, we can make it a poison decision folks.

OUr job now is to end the honnymoon.

we have the means, and now we can PUSH.

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153 posted on 11/05/2008 6:15:36 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ScreamingFist

“Screw the GOP, time for a new party”

Don’t be silly! There were about 20 conservatives elected to the House yesterday including McClintock & Duncan Hunter...you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater..it’s much easier to turn the GOP to the Right, than to start another political party! You build on the successes of yesterday and go forward to 2010!

You mean to tell me that if Sarah Palin was the GOP candidate for POTUS in 2012 you wouldn’t enthusiastically support & vote for her?


154 posted on 11/05/2008 6:16:39 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: paudio

I believe the PBA ban was in the Contract with America, wasn’t it?


155 posted on 11/05/2008 6:17:20 AM PST by Thane_Banquo (President George W. Bush, RINO-in-Chief.)
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To: dirtboy
Yes, we need to push for honest government. Maybe starting with state election laws. No more open primaries. Voter ID at the state level.

But for the definition of conservatism, we need to go back to the founders. The question should be what would the founders do? Newt is great at explaining this. Every time the Republicans in congress disagree with the crap that is going to come, they should stand on the floor and say the founders would never have done this and here;s why. Just start sowing seeds that the Republicans are the trying to get us in line with the founding vision.

156 posted on 11/05/2008 6:17:28 AM PST by Betty Jane
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To: bronxboy

Yes. Appeasement to terrorists.


157 posted on 11/05/2008 6:19:03 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Convert from ECUSA

You’re welcome...use it in good health. May our republic survive this latest assualt.


158 posted on 11/05/2008 6:19:32 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: kellynla

We could start by showing the Hispanic bashers the door including the ones on this board.


159 posted on 11/05/2008 6:19:38 AM PST by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: Gunder

How about 8 more US Senators from Texas as well as 8 more electoral voters from Texas? Think that will make a difference? http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005511


160 posted on 11/05/2008 6:19:45 AM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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