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Well there you go guys. I've put on my fireproof undies, flame away. I'll not get into discussions this is my piece on this for now, I may write another one after I have more time and the full results are in, but that's it for now.
1 posted on 11/04/2008 11:11:57 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

I have no intention of flaming you. Many of us saw different trends developing than what actually happened. I figured that the voters of PA have been called racist rednecks and the Democrats want to kill the coal industry, surely there will be opposition to this, right? Instead, they proved that no, they’re not bothered by insults and their livelihood being destroyed. It’s not your fault.


31 posted on 11/04/2008 11:27:30 PM PST by GiveEmDubya (Thanks a bunch, America)
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I have another comment. Why are we allowing NH and Iowa to pick our candidates for the Republican Party when BOTH states went to the Dems. Time to dump Iowa and NH as first in the Nation IMHO!

Why not Oklahoma? For the FIRST time Oklahoman Republicans control the OK Senate in the history of the State, we kept the OK House, we took back a Corporation Commission seat and kept the other one, returned Sen Inhofe to the Senate, sent back 4/5 House Members, and voted for McCain 66 - 33.


32 posted on 11/04/2008 11:28:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER LetsGetThisRight.com)
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When all those coal miners start whining and crying ‘cause they don’t have a job, I don’t even want to hear it. The “Rust Belt” is the “Rust Belt” for a reason. To paraphrase Rev. Wright, “their chickens will have come home to roost”.


33 posted on 11/04/2008 11:28:25 PM PST by singfreedom
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It’s cool, you just got got up in wishful thinking. Obviously McCain was never close in PA.

Acorn, bailout, that has nothing to do with it. It’s a state that leans rat, period. A rat is winning the country he’s gonna be taking PA.

Obama has been leading for all election except during the Palin bounce.


36 posted on 11/04/2008 11:32:41 PM PST by Impy (Welcome to the USSA)
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If McCain had won, conservatism would be badly wounded ...

Two failures tonight ...

Bipartisanship, reaching across the aisle and the nonsense that you ‘capture the center’ that way, big time up in flames. McCain's inherent fault.

Compassionate Conservatives, meaning not standing up and fighting for your programs and beliefs, never a winner to make yourself into the opposition's punching bag. Both deader than the doornail. Bush's inherent fault.

Conservatism won ... And lives to fight another day. Crystal clear conservative message that broadcast crystal clear first principles, is the way forward.

37 posted on 11/04/2008 11:36:38 PM PST by Tarpon (Barack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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Dont feel bad I was telling everyone that the Hillary
votes was going to win it for Mccain,shows you what I
know.I would say we will get them in four years but
hell we may not have a country in four years.!!!!


39 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:04 PM PST by MATSEVAH
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Shutting down coal resonated in Pittsburg, did not resonate in Philly?


41 posted on 11/04/2008 11:40:30 PM PST by Lexinom
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You know, I think McCain was getting a bit of traction in PA, but it was simply too late by the time his campaign made a concerted effort to compete there.

I think to some extent we saw two important things:

--The utter backfire of "Operation Chaos," which merely ended up pumping more money and resources into what eventually became Obama's "ground game" machine, while also giving him loads of media attention, and

--The failure of the McCain campaign to capitalize on the months and months and months between his capture of the nomination and the convention season. Where WAS the McCain campaign? What was it building all that time, if anything, on the ground?

Perhaps McCain would have lost in any case but... like this?

His campaign managers have a lot to answer for tomorrow.

54 posted on 11/05/2008 12:12:28 AM PST by seacapn
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Will PA suffer buyers’ remorse when Obama destroys the coal industry and electricity prices go through the roof? (Well, the MSM will blame Bush of course.) People who voted for Obama did so because of greed and monumental stupidity. We’ll have more Jim Jones preaching from Obama, more lies than you can throw a stick at. And Wm. Ayres, Rev. Wright, and other Marxist pals will certainly become fixtures at the WH. We’ll see public schools graduating illiterates en masse. Then society will be expected to hand them jobs they’re not qualified to perform. Just the tip of the iceberg, folks. We’ve just ushered in the Age of Lunacy.


62 posted on 11/05/2008 12:51:02 AM PST by hershey
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Flame away

OK ...

Did you see her dress? geesh

65 posted on 11/05/2008 1:21:09 AM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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McCain got creamed in South Central to South Eastern. (Well, he won, but way underperformed Bush) York, Cumberland, Dauphin, Lancaster, Lebanon, Berks, Chester. Also the Lehigh Valley and NEPA.

South Central is becoming a cultural suburb of I-95. Philly and Baltimore aren’t far away.

Here’s 2004 for South Central - to southeast
Adams 32.6% 13,764 66.9% 28,247 0.5% 217 +15K
Berks 46.4% 76,309 53.0% 87,122 0.6% 1,056 +10K
Chester 47.5% 109,708 52.0% 120,036 0.5% 1,079 +10K
Cumberl 35.8% 37,928 63.8% 67,648 0.5% 506 +30K
Dauphin 45.6% 55,299 53.9% 65,296 0.5% 613 +10K
Lancast 33.6% 74,328 65.8% 145,591 0.6% 1,359 +71K
Lebanon 32.5% 18,109 66.6% 37,089 0.8% 467 +19K
York 35.5% 63,701 63.7% 114,270 0.7% 1,298 +51K

Bush got 216K more votes than Kerry in those 8 counties.

Here’s 2008 (to this point)

Adams Obama 17,475 40% McCain 26,134 59% +9K
Berks Obama 91,803 54% McCain 75,868 45% -16K
chester O 135,150 54% M 112,266 45% -23K
cumber O 45,355 43% M 59,693 56% +14K
dauphin O 69,352 54% M 57,964 45% -12K
lanc O 97,290 43% M 124,475 56% +27K
Lebanon O 22,004 40% M 32,325 59% +10K
york O 81,748 43% M 107,367 56% +26K

McCain got 35K more votes than Obama in those 8 counties.

That’s a loss of 181K votes from 2004.


66 posted on 11/05/2008 1:22:25 AM PST by truthfreedom
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I really was hoping to win because I have great fear where a man like Obama will take this country. McCain waited way too late to catch fire. A watershed moment for me was at the Wisconsin rally where that supporter shouted, " I AM MAD, I AM REALLY MAD!" McCain could have really taken advantage and shown what a fighter he was, but his response was tepid at best. He was too nice and it hurt him.

We have to regroup and fight the next fight. By the way, I don't think that anyone on this board will flame you. Keep posting, we need to keep good FReepers around. The next four years are going to be tough.

71 posted on 11/05/2008 1:40:53 AM PST by nicksaunt
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So, I was wrong and I am sorry.

You have nothing to be sorry about.

The sorry thing is now our nation that will embark on the dark, dreary road of communism and will be unfit for Christians and Jews to live in.

73 posted on 11/05/2008 1:52:10 AM PST by IbJensen (Obombazombies are voting for communism!)
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I am doing analysis this morning. The number of votes does not appear to have changed radically.

So much for the influx of new voters.

McCain simply got smaller numbers in RED areas than BUSH did. Obama got the defections.

2004 Kerry won PA by 120,000 votes
2008 Obama won PA by 600,000+ votes

Total votes cast was nearly the same.


81 posted on 11/05/2008 4:09:44 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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My Westmoreland County did not disappoint.
And they are actually pretty typical of PA outside the major urban areas.
But Murtha? Too many people are still programmed to vote for any jackass with a “D” who brings home some bacon.


89 posted on 11/05/2008 6:34:39 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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No sweat, HJ. I thank you for your optimistic posts through the election season which were great comfort and motivator to me.


91 posted on 11/05/2008 7:38:11 AM PST by Uncledave (Zombie Reagan '08)
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