Posted on 11/03/2008 12:09:53 PM PST by george76
The man accused of arranging for the killing of 32 bison on a neighbor's property struck a deal this morning in which he'll face minimal or no jail time but will have to open his wallet wide.
Jeffrey Scott Hawn, CEO of Seattle-based software firm Attachmate, pleaded guilty to a class 3 felony of criminal mischief and to a misdemeanor charge of cruelty to animals in Park County Court.
At his Jan. 28 sentencing he could get up to two years of probation and up to 10 days in Park County Jail.
Four generations of the Downare family, in cowboy hats and ranching clothes, were also in the courtroom, including head of the family, Monte, and infant Jared.
Prosecutor Katherine O'Brien said the Downares were "very reluctant to accept a plea, not because they are vindictive or have hatred or ill will."
Rather, they didn't want to accept a deal because killing livestock is such a serious crime in a ranching community
(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...
Can a convicted felon serve as a CEO under Sarbanes-Oxley ?
Hmmm. Good question. I don’t know the law that well but it may depend on the nature of the offense.
I would think that leading a conspiracy to inflict financial harm on another company - in this case a proprietorship engaged in the raising of livestock for profit, would be a very bad item to have on one’s resume.
The next question is, does a nice politically correct company like Attachmate want this kind of publicity about one of their corporate officers? Last I heard Frank Pits was still running things there but they weren’t doing too well. This can’t be good for them.
Corrections:
1. Attachmate is base in Bellevue, not Seattle.
2. Frank Pitt, not Frank Pitts.
It’s been a while since I bought an IRMA board. <:<)
You seem to side with the rich city slicker carpetbaggers.
Your language gives you away. The use of the word "rich" as a pejorative implies that it is OK at least in your worldview to plunder him (and doesn't it bother you that this is EXACTLY the same attitude that Obama and his followers have?) Further your derogatory "city slicker carpetbagger" shows a distinct prejudice against the guy.
Hawn wasn't real neighborly.
Again you're defining "neighborly" the way Obama defines it take something from someone against their will and give it to someone else. Again not something I'd want to be tarred with.
Attachmate sells a PC software application
EXTRA to emulate 3270 for mainframe connection.
Too bad there isn't a fact checker as well as a spell checker. You got it half right in that they were hunted nearly to extinction, but not for their meat, but for their hides which sold for three dollars each. The carcases were left to rot in the millions.
You comments seem to run contrary to the ND state ag departments recommendations on Buffalo
As a rule of thumb, buffalo facilities will work for cattle but cattle facilities won't work for buffalo. Cattle working chutes, corrals and fences are generally too small and not high enough or strong enough to handle buffalo. The corral and working chutes need to be 7 to 8 feet high. Cat-walks along the outside of chutes and corrals are a good idea for safety. A strong squeeze chute with a crash gate and palpation cage is a must. All gates should be heavy duty, spring-loaded, locking slam gates. A 5- to 6-strand barbed wire fence with posts (wood or steel) 12 to 14 feet apart will keep buffalo in the pasture as long as they have plenty to eat. Buildings or calving sheds are not necessary to efficiently produce buffalo. Trailers need to have a roof to keep buffalo from attempting to jump over the sideSO which of you is wrong? Th ND State ag department or you who seem to have a particular viewpoint to push.
That's what I've been trying to get across "Your right to swing your fist ends at my jaw" is my motto on this. shooting stray Bison is not all that out of the norm either.
I know. But back in the day, back before mainframes supported Ethernet, if you wanted to connect your PC to your mainframe (or as an ex boss of mine used to say, "the grown ups computer") you had to use something called a terminal emulation board. You installed it in your PC with driver software and connected it to the mainframe either with 3270 coax or 5250 twinax (about the diameter of a small garden hose with two pins that never seemed to align perfectly). Attachmate had a product that I don't remember the name of that didn't work very well (the mainframe people blamed the PCs). In the mid '80s (I think) they bought DCA which made a similar product, the IRMA board, which was a lot better.
These days of course, assuming you even have a mainframe, it's all software via Ethernet and there's a freeware tn3270/tn5250 emulator called Mocha that costs nothing and works fine. You wonder why Attachmate is even still around.
Didn't say you were - gave it as an example where "The law is an ass"
I don’t wish anyone else’s money.
Well I do, but only in that they give it to me in exchange for goods or services rendered.
Who knows, possibly more than you do.
Certainly possible - all you have to do is go to the Ft. Lauderdale boat show to realize that there are a lot of people out there with a lot of money, but this isn't about who has what money, but rather the right or wrong of letting your animals do as they will on other peoples' property. Whether or not that other person is rich or poor.
I have no wealth envy.
Well OK, but you do realize that your position on this corresponds to the Obama camp's soak the rich philosophy.
It is intellectually dishonest, though a common tactic of the left and their Libertarian patsies, to take a position that you disagree with and try to associate it with something you can be assured which the other party to the debate opposes. This is the “If you are against high rise buildings you must be for Osama Bin Laden” argument; or in this case, “If you’re against killing stray livestock you’re for Barak Obama”.
I wouldn’t think that anyone like you, who so vocally supports the M.E.Ch.A./Aztlan movement and their bison hunting rights would be so negative toward anyone who supports Obama. You must know that your friends in M.E.Ch.A. have endorsed the Anointed One.
(See, it works both ways.)
You.
Its to be expected for a liberal city boy to run for the cover of bureaucrasy to fight his foolish battles, but reality wins. There is a spot alongside the I680 freeway in Martinez where people have been stopping to photograph the bison and beefaloe grazing on the hill next to the freeway for over 30 years. The fences there were errected by Don Salvio Pacheco's ranch hands in the 19th century. There's another bison ranch in Escalon, along Lone Tree Road, where people often do the same, and they're also behind old barbed wire fences.
Stay in the shittie where you belong, ok?
Ah you know the joy of owning a shiba inu. I have one named reagan and he is very conservative.
Well he’s half Shiba Inu. Daddy was an Akita.
But he has the traits...stubborn...possessive....strong-willed....and probably smarter than I am.
He’s a music critic, too. Comes into my practice room when I play Mozart, Chopin, and Rachmaninoff and lays under my grand piano.
Runs from the room when I play thinks like Liszt Hungarian Rhapsodies and he hates Beethoven’s “Hammerklavier”
I see you've degeneratd to name calling - the last refuge of the intellectually challenged. Sorry that reality doesn't support your fabrications, but that's just the way it is.
I did not call you names and yet you addressed your reply to me. I will let Editor-surveyor speak for himself.
Hardin was one of the things that was force fed to me in college. Such things have in fact been known to make my digestive system run backwards, at least from the duodenum up. “Commons” cases actually make more sense as exercises in game theory than they do as philosophy - typically doled out by leftist professors who understand neither what the essay is saying nor the basics of human behavior.
There were no “commons” involved in this incident, other than a few bison that seem to have strayed onto BLM land. The issue here is of one man’s property, the bison, damaging another man’s property, a fence and an unspecified quantity of grass (the grazing kind). Given that, does the owner of the fence have the right to hire leftist thugs to kill the other man’s bison? The court in Colorado said no and I agree.
Neither Barak Obama nor the financial status of the individual coordinating the conspiracy to kill the livestock are at issue.
Maybe back east you take a different attitude toward killing livestock but anywhere west of the Mississippi - even in “Kalifornia” to use your spelling, if you destroy another man’s property and the source of his livelihood you had better have a good reason. In other terms, it would be like someone driving their car through your fence and parking on your property. In such a case you would no doubt have the right to have the car towed and sue the owner for the damage to your property but I doubt that in Georgia you would have the right to hire someone to set fire to it.
Oh I agree that he probably shouldn't have killed them the guiding moral being that two wrongs don't make a right, but everyone seems to think that there was no wrong on the part of the bison owner. AND there is a commons in the open range principle that people here have quoted at me ad nauseum. However killing stray bison is not at all unusual even in the west - see the link in post 88. And it was certainly common in the western tradition that one person tried to quote at me. between 1830 and 1897 40 - 100 million were killed.
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