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It’s not about hope. It’s about numbers.

Here’s what is going on.

1) Pollsters and the media focused very early on the big numbers appearing in the Dem primaries. It essentially frightened them into weighting almost everything.

2) As best I know there seems to be NO pollster just reporting the raw, random sample. Everyone is weighting by party ID this cycle. If someone knows of a pure random sample getting reported, speak up.

3) The supposed Democrat registration machine is, based on preliminary data, NOT producing what was intended. The early voting data from various places indicate clearly that there’s no enormous shift being seen in the votes cast as regards party ID.

4) All the pollsters DO HAVE the pure random samples available. They weight them after the fact. This is a bit bad. If the random samples differed hugely with the post weighting result, they would get scared and stop weighting.

5) The no response result of calls is at a historical high. This is bizarre. What is more bizarre is the large number of undecideds that remain, even given the no response total. Why do samples answer the phone and go through the survey in order to say undecided? Why not refuse to respond? Weird.

6) The early vote results being seen make it pretty clear at this point that the polls showing huge leads for Obama are way off. The bad news is . . . McCain seems to lead in none of the polls. He’ll need a few more undecideds to break his way to sway the IBD and other close polls and walk into Tuesday with a few showing a lead. And no sooner, actually. Unlikely voters remain unlikely if they think they have won.


10 posted on 10/30/2008 11:08:15 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
McCain is not going to gain a lead. The self interest of the MSM and the pollsters will see to it that it doesn't happen. I'll be happy if he just remains within the MOE.

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15 posted on 10/30/2008 11:13:03 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Owen

5) The no response result of calls is at a historical high. This is bizarre. What is more bizarre is the large number of undecideds that remain, even given the no response total. Why do samples answer the phone and go through the survey in order to say undecided? Why not refuse to respond? Weird.

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It’s the Politically Correct Chickens coming home to roost, the high numbers of undecideds are voting for McCain as are a portion of the democrats who don’t want to be bothered with any questions about why they’re not voting for the black guy.

The Politically Correct Gestapo has made accurate polling impossible this election.


27 posted on 10/31/2008 12:13:37 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Owen
As best I know there seems to be NO pollster just reporting the raw, random sample. Everyone is weighting by party ID this cycle. If someone knows of a pure random sample getting reported, speak up.

That's kind of what I'd like to see. Averaging polls might be a better approach with the raw samples than the weighted ones.

42 posted on 10/31/2008 2:28:40 AM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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To: Owen
If someone knows of a pure random sample getting reported, speak up.

Sounds like a tough polling job.

Randomly choosing names from a set is the easy part. Compiling a set of voters to randomly select from would probably be much harder. And then you would have to take a very large sampling...and make absolutely sure you get the opinion of everyone selected...including those nearly impossible to reach.

45 posted on 10/31/2008 2:42:31 AM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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