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1 posted on 10/30/2008 6:16:28 PM PDT by chet_in_ny
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Outside of the sciences, objectivity died a long time ago, the victim of deconstructionism, ‘critical [fill in the blank] studies’, and post-modernism.

It’s just that now the corpse is starting to stink so that the general public can smell it.


2 posted on 10/30/2008 6:21:10 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (For real change stop electing lawyers: Fighter-Pilot/Hockey-Mom '08.)
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If Obama wins, he already has his propaganda machine in place: NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN. Marxist government with a marketing news media already established. Sheeple, beware.


3 posted on 10/30/2008 6:21:45 PM PDT by swampdweller
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Newspapers used to have "Democrat" and "Republican" in their titles. The press has always been a biased source of information.

The good news is that enough Americans are not complete rubes and the more slanted the MSM becomes, the less relevante they will be.

Americans are currently in the process of defunding the MSM through massive decreases in circulation and viewership of MSM products.

The MSM may be acting as boldly as they are now because they believe this is their last chance to have enough clout to have an impact. This could be the equivalent of a bubble about to burst ... or more like a dead cat bounce.

4 posted on 10/30/2008 6:22:01 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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And lets not forget that Obama probably put the word out that he would never do an interview when he is President to any journalist or newspaper or magazine who reported one negative word about him during the campaign. Heck he probably told Fox that he planned to get rid of them with the Fairness Doctrine.
5 posted on 10/30/2008 6:22:44 PM PDT by when the time is right
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Right. Objective reporting would report that it’s not the fact that Obama was 8. The interesting thing is that you have a friend that is an American terrorist.

I don’t have any friends that are terrorists, or cop killers, or PLO connections, pastors that say God Damm America, and so on.

Isn’t there anyone out there in news land that has a conscience? or common sense?


6 posted on 10/30/2008 6:24:56 PM PDT by encm(ss) (USN Ret.)
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The connection has been amply reported, and it is pretty thin.

About as thin as that family chowing down shown in Obama's "Larouche moment."

8 posted on 10/30/2008 6:31:59 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Colin, descending)
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like the one that portrays Sen. Obama as the bosom buddy of some loser who tried to terrorize his own country.... The connection has been amply reported, and it is pretty thin.

Yet when you add Ayers to Pfleger to Rezko to the Israel hating Palestinian to Rev Wright, you begin to see a pattern of associations with a lot of people who literally hate the United States.

9 posted on 10/30/2008 6:37:27 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat. And so is Obama.)
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A long time ago in a career far away I wrote stories for the mainstream media. It’s the awful truth. Everything that you hear about the leftwing bias of the print media is true, except the details are even worse than you can imagine. Eventually, I quit. Like I said, this was a while ago, when Newt and Bill were fighting over school lunch money.

However, let me speak up for lack of objectivity. Lack of objectivity is the human norm. Nobody comes to the table without some kind of prevailing bias. The hope is that your bias and prejudice is based on sound judgment and moral virtue, but nobody leaves without having an opinion.

I used to publish a little history column at the bottom of my editorial when I ran this weekly paper in the People’s Republic of Oregon. In the year 1900, there were three papers in this little town of 3,000 - a Republican paper, a Democrat paper, and a Populist paper. All three were wildly popular. All three were spectacularly biased in their presentation of the news. I’m sure that reading these tiny town rags were the chief source of entertainment for the week.

Ninety years later I’m reading this stuff and thinking about the “objectivity” I’m supposed to be seeing in print, but seeing nowhere, and hearing nowhere among the journalists I worked with. Around this time I discovered Rush, the classic nonobjective voice. Entertaining, pointed, and biased - and honest and open about those biases. When I listen to Rush, I know what I’m getting and where it comes from. Ditto Hannity, Savage, O’Reilly, Ingram, and all the other talkers. They wear their biases right on their sleeves. That way, when I hear their presentation, I can understand why they’re saying what they’re saying and choosing the stories that they’re choosing to comment on.

Liberal and leftist media don’t do that. Obama is clearly a Marxist, yet goes to great lengths to hide it. The New York Times has been a leftist rag for as long as I remember, yet they claim a status of sitting above as all, the gatekeeper of knowledge for the masses. If the Times would just come out and say, “Yes, we’re leftists, and we support the Democrat party,” a lot of people would breathe a sigh of relief.

People aren’t interested in objectivity. They’re interested in honesty. That honesty starts with a clear understanding of the reporter’s motives and beliefs. In the old days, a community newspaper would defend its little town, support local businesses, and be a bulldog for local causes - again, not objective, but you knew where they stood. In the modern media, advocates travel from town to town, advocating for liberal causes, but hiding beneath a cloak of objective reporting. That kind of dishonesty shines like a light in the darkness. No wonder circulation numbers continue their decline, while talk radio and Internet readership soar.

People know that everyone has a viewpoint. All media should simply state theirs and then tell their side of the story. People will read it and make up their minds. It’s just hard to do when some parts of the media hide their intentions behind noble-sounding lies.


14 posted on 10/30/2008 8:27:29 PM PDT by redpoll
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