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Air NZ guides Qantas jet to safety
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Posted on 10/29/2008 12:21:55 PM PDT by traumer

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1 posted on 10/29/2008 12:21:59 PM PDT by traumer
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What the hell is wrong with Quantas lately?

2 posted on 10/29/2008 12:28:30 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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Are airline pilots trained to be able to navigate by the stars?

3 posted on 10/29/2008 12:28:30 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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This makes no sense. Radar means *nothing* to guiding an aircraft over the ocean...the radar in a jetliner is used strictly for weather. If they were navigationally blind, they would’ve had to lost whatever 747-400s use for long-distance navigation...I think that’s at least one GPS system and something called an inertial reference system, which basically tracks the direction, speed, and distance that the plane has moved from a fixed point (i.e., the gate at LAX that it departed from). It’d be a fairly major failure, and more than just “the radar”.

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4 posted on 10/29/2008 12:28:55 PM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: I see my hands

They used to navigate by stars... I thought they used GPS now.


5 posted on 10/29/2008 12:31:27 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Retired Greyhound
What the hell is wrong with Quantas lately?

No kidding.

6 posted on 10/29/2008 12:31:51 PM PDT by conservative cat (I am voting for Sarah and against Obama.)
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This is the stupidest, most poorly informed, totally fracked-up aviation “news” I can remember reading. Airliners do not navigate by radar. Some military aircraft use radar for target acquisition and perhaps terrain avoidance. The only radar aboard is the radar altimeter for precise measurements above terrain at low altitude. None of this article makes any sense. One airliner cannot “guide” another one, except visually. Airliners navigate using GPS, the VOR network, INS, Air Mass Computation, TCAS, LORAN, etc. This article is just butt stupid. Typical of the “press.”


7 posted on 10/29/2008 12:32:04 PM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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Another article on MSNBC (linked over on airliners.net) said that it was indeed the weather radar that went out. So if it’s just the weather radar, and the INS and GPSes and radio navigation receivers for VORs are still working, why does the Qantas captain say that he’s “flying blind?” Avoiding flying into a tropical thunderstorm or other heavy weather, I guess?

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8 posted on 10/29/2008 12:35:38 PM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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BUMP!


9 posted on 10/29/2008 12:36:05 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: conservative cat

My wife is a Kiwi so we make the trip about every other year. Preference is Air New Zealand, best crews, cleanest flights. See you guys in December.


10 posted on 10/29/2008 12:37:49 PM PDT by AMNZ
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My wife is a Kiwi so we make the trip about every other year. Preference is Air New Zealand, best crews, cleanest flights. See you guys in December.


11 posted on 10/29/2008 12:38:05 PM PDT by AMNZ
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To: Retired Greyhound

Darn, so much for my posting “In Before the Rainman reference.”


12 posted on 10/29/2008 12:38:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: Retired Greyhound
Honorary Qantas Captain:


13 posted on 10/29/2008 12:39:00 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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I was thinking the same thing. The only other consideration could be avoiding thunderstorms if it was the weather radar as I've read that severe storms could actually crack up an aircraft. Still, one would think that ATC could vector them appropriately.
14 posted on 10/29/2008 12:46:06 PM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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Why do so many Kiwis hate Yanks so much?


15 posted on 10/29/2008 12:48:52 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (Hope in one hand and Change in the other. Which hand gets dirty first?)
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I don’t have a radio or any instruments in my plane. I’m an IFR pilot...I Follow Roads.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqEwF757G5k


16 posted on 10/29/2008 12:54:32 PM PDT by kik5150
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I’m in the video production business, and while we don’t do news, just corporate stuff, we do work a little now and then “inside” TV news.

I’m often apalled at the scientific ignorance these pretty-haired dim bulbs display. Almost anyone in our technical crew could easily set them straight on a lot of basic science and technology if they could get over their arrogance long enough to ask.

My personal favorite is when the newsblonde tells you about “the small aircraft, which FAILED to file a flight plan...” making the guy sound like a dangerous and neglectful crazyman when flight plans for “VFR” at low altitude are not necessary at all.

It may sound like innocent ignorance, but I see it as a deeper delight in making science and experts, such as licensed pilots, look stupid and threateningly risky.

The press is shot through with this kind of naval-gazing at all levels, and it’s journalistic malpractice. The damage they do... The damage they do...


17 posted on 10/29/2008 12:57:56 PM PDT by William of Barsoom
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To: Retired Greyhound
What the hell is wrong with Quantas lately?

Flew from LAX to Melbourne, Australia on Qantas in late 2003. Midnight departure from LAX still climbing to altitude out beyond the Channel Islands when we hit clear air turbulence, no warning, just a very pronounced jolt. The next AM as we approached the coast of Australia over the Tasman Sea we went thru squall line/thunderstorm and really got bounced around. Fortunately breakfast had been served and the food carts stowed or there might have been injuries. After over 14 hours in the air we finally arrived in Melbourne.

18 posted on 10/29/2008 12:58:39 PM PDT by BluH2o
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>>>Why do so many Kiwis hate Yanks so much?<<<

I don't know about hating Yanks, but they seem particularly fiesty!

I had a friend who was Kiwi who worked in the same industry. I hadn't seen him for quite a while, but heard he had resigned his job.

When I finally ran into him, I asked about his leaving his former firm, Xerox. He said: "The rumors are wrong. I didn't get fired for throwing my boss down a flight of stairs at the company party; I got fired for walking down, picking him up and throwing him down the second flight".

And he was a little Kiwi - not over 5'6" and about 160 lbs.

19 posted on 10/29/2008 1:04:07 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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I can’t imagine a 14 hour flight. I am squirming at 3 hours.


20 posted on 10/29/2008 1:04:37 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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