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To: dennisw; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco; PJ-Comix; Paul Heinzman
Chicago-based journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin, when asked about Obama's baptism, wrote, "I have never been able to obtain any evidence that he was baptized, although I asked for those records."

If Obama is baptized, there should be a record of it. If he is not baptized, I do not consider him a Christian. That is the historic and objective line of demarcation, distinguishing Christians and non-Christians, going back to the very beginning of the Christian church.

I was baptized in the name of the Father and of the + Son and of the Holy Spirit on September 10, 1953.

BTW, I am a Lutheran pastor.

29 posted on 10/22/2008 7:14:43 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Born March 7, 1953. Born again September 10, 1953.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

The other question that could be asked is, “What is the teaching of the UCC regarding Baptism?”


35 posted on 10/22/2008 9:03:05 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Charles Henrickson; Cletus.D.Yokel
Martin Luther's Large Catechism (1530)

Part Fourth: Of Baptism

"We have now finished the three chief parts of the common Christian doctrine. Besides these we have yet to speak of our two Sacraments instituted by Christ, of which also every Christian ought to have at least an ordinary, brief instruction, because without them there can be no Christian; although, alas! hitherto no instruction concerning them has been given. But, in the first place, we take up Baptism, by which we are first received into the Christian Church.

However, in order that it may be readily understood we will treat of it in an orderly manner, and keep only to that which it is necessary for us to know. For how it is to be maintained and defended against heretics and sects we will commend to the learned.

In the first place, we must above all things know well the words upon which Baptism is founded, and to which everything refers that is to be said on the subject, namely, where the Lord Christ speaks in the last chapter of Matthew, v. 19: Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

Likewise in St. Mark, the last chapter, v. 16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

In these words you must note, in the first place, that here stand God's commandment and institution, lest we doubt that Baptism is divine, not devised nor invented by men. For as truly as I can say, No man has spun the Ten Commandments, the Creed, and the Lord's Prayer out of his head, but they are revealed and given by God Himself, so also I can boast that Baptism is no human trifle, but instituted by God Himself..."

36 posted on 10/22/2008 10:03:41 AM PDT by bcsco (Palin started her political career in a small town, Obama from the house of a domestic terrorist.)
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