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Letter: Paul’s right; McCain, Obama are wrong
The Grand Forks Herald, Grand Forks, North Dakota ^ | 2008-10-19 | Del Snavely

Posted on 10/19/2008 6:15:49 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

After watching the presidential debates it became obvious to me that it’s politics as usual and that my candidate — who was almost laughed out of the race early on — has been right all along.

Neither candidate will admit that our “central banking system” is at the heart of the economic crisis and that it’s the printing, borrowing and creation of credit and money from thin air that got us where we are.

But all through the race, my candidate said, “By injecting money into the market to prop it up, we make the inevitable collapse worse in the long run. We need our money to be based on hard assets, not printed out of thin air”.

Also, my candidate’s idea was to bring home our troops from 700 bases in 130 countries around the world. Let them protect our borders and spend their paychecks here to help the economy at home. Not a word from Obama or McCain on that one.

Nope, this election is no different than any other. All I hear is mud slinging and pandering. It doesn’t matter if you’re a “Demican” or a “Republicrat,” your vote is wasted.

I’m still trying to figure out if our choices are the “lesser of two evils” or the “evil of two lessers”.

If I’m going to waste my vote this election, I’m going to waste it on someone who deserves my vote, someone who has voted with the Constitution on every vote in 20 years in Congress, no matter the consequences.

So no matter who wins, when this is all over and we have our new president and things don’t get any better, all I can say is “Don’t blame me, I wrote in Ron Paul.”


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: 2008; bailout; demicans; election; elections; financialcrisis; govwatch; lp; mccain; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamatruthfile; paul; republicrats; ronpaul; spoiler; spoilercandidate; thirdparty; wastedvote; wasteyourvote
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To: rabscuttle385

So who is your guy rabscuttle? Who are you voting for?


101 posted on 10/20/2008 6:02:55 AM PDT by roses of sharon (When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight (Isaiah 59:19)
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To: rabscuttle385
"But, all it takes is for a few thousand more voters who think like me to turn their backs on the GOP, and McCain will lose by mere fractions of a percent..."


Precisely what I've been trying to tell you, young man. We'll end up with a socialist thugocracy in the White House, the fairness doctrine redux which will remove conservative opinions from the debate, and big government that will make FDR look like Bill McKinley.

The time to follow your convictions is during the primaries. I didn't vote for McCain then, either. But I support him now, (actually, I'm really voting for Sarah), because the alternative is too bitter to contemplate. Its time to become a team player and keep that Marxist from office.
102 posted on 10/20/2008 6:06:36 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine ("Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.")
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To: Emperor Palpatine

>I knew it.
>A dope smoker.
>Bong hits for Paul, huh?

If you would bother to read it, I did say that my source was of unknown reliability; if you would bother to read the thread you would see that another person cited that Ron Paul’s issue on the war on drugs is about constitutionality.

You, Sir, are quite disrespectful and insulting. If I were the emotional type, I would vote Obama to spite you and your abrasive mannerisms (I’m not, so don’t work yourself up over it).

In all, you need to quit acting like an abusive, abrasive @$$hat and act like a mature, responsible adult... I’ll tell you like I told my little brother, watch what you say and how you say it, otherwise you might get punched in the face.


103 posted on 10/20/2008 6:41:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: MHGinTN

>The Constitution is no impediment to Obama. He ignores it when it serves him to do so and he is not challenged even now, before he has ascended to power.

Fortunately, you are ignoring/failing-to-account-for the THOUSANDS in our armed service who have sworn to defend the Constitution from enemies, both foreign and domestic.

If/when Obama, the Congress, and/or the USSC blatantly disregard the Constitution something’ll happen; it may be already close.

In fact, maybe it should already have happened, with the USSC ruling that Eminent Domain meant that the government could take away private property and hand it to a private developer because they would receive more taxes... A congress with a 9% approval rating that passes a $700+ Billion bail-out bill while their constituents are calling in saying “NO! Don’t do it!” Maybe Jefferson was right about the Tree of Liberty needing to be refreshed with the blood of Tyrants & Patriots.


104 posted on 10/20/2008 6:54:05 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ..



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or just reply to this post!
105 posted on 10/20/2008 7:08:21 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Chunga; roamer_1; MaggieCarta; djsherin; E. Cartman; VRWC For Truth
You're arguing with conservative people in their 50s, 60s and 70s.

No, I've been arguing largely with Republicans like yourself who are willing to put their Party first before their beliefs...because that is all they know.

You're disrespectful, snide, rude and condescending...

Perfect description of you. Let's review two of your past quotes to me, made without any negative or spiteful instigation on my part:

"Very few people here are remotely interested in the incessant, immature anti-Republican spew of a fifth year university undergrad."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2095525/posts?page=118#118

More SPAM! Eat up, you Third-Party Goofballs.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2054746/posts?page=3#3

and trust me.

McCain, is that you? For the last time, sir, I'm not your friend!

You don't know anything about anything.

Sure. Concepts like standing up for what you believe and doing what is right even when it's not convenient or when everyone else is giving in...yeah, you're right, I really don't know anything, eh!

106 posted on 10/20/2008 7:18:05 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle 2008 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia - Wolf for Congress)
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To: MaggieCarta; roamer_1
I sincerely hope that she will not break the hearts of the many good FReepers who are smitten with her.

If she does, the wailing and gnashing of teeth here will know no end.

107 posted on 10/20/2008 7:19:18 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle 2008 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia - Wolf for Congress)
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To: Mr. Blonde
We need instant run-off elections.

A great idea, but it will never happen as long as the two-party cartel is still in charge. Jesse Ventura tried to get it here in Minnesota, and the state legislature made sure it wasn't going anywhere.
108 posted on 10/20/2008 7:20:12 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: Emperor Palpatine; MaggieCarta; roamer_1; djsherin
Its time to become a team player and keep that Marxist from office.

Too bad that McCain didn't get that memo about, well, playing for his own team.

109 posted on 10/20/2008 7:20:47 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle 2008 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia - Wolf for Congress)
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To: roses of sharon

Read the tagline.


110 posted on 10/20/2008 7:21:23 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Baldwin/Castle 2008 - Gilmore for Senator from Virginia - Wolf for Congress)
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To: OneWingedShark; Emperor Palpatine

***if you would bother to read the thread you would see that another person cited that Ron Paul’s issue on the war on drugs is about constitutionality.***

That would be me. What did the government do to ban alcohol? CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT! Whether it worked and was right or not is subject to debate (IMO no on both counts), but they did go through the process legally.


111 posted on 10/20/2008 7:23:55 AM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Sadly most of what the federal government does is unconstitutional. They have already done things that are in blatant violation of the Constitution. You can go back at any time and see the government giving itself more power by “interpreting” the Constitution differently.

I maintain that something SHOULD have already happened. I now worry it is too late to restore the truly limited government we had at the beginning.


112 posted on 10/20/2008 7:27:52 AM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: MHGinTN
The poster perhaps believes this nation under a Constitution will endure an Obama presidency for four or eight years.

The Constitution is a dead letter and has been since the 1930s, when the New Deal ramped up numerous interventionist schemes that were clearly violative of the original intent of the Framers. After the Supreme Court turned leftward in 1938 and ceased blocking the un-Constitutional legislation, the document has effectively ceased to be relevant to the operations of the Federal government. As P.J. O'Rourke once put it, the Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.

Obama is a Marxist who despises the majority race in this country and is a demagogue who combines the worst features of Bill Clinton, Huey Long, and Franklin Roosevelt. He is clearly so dangerous that a vote for Bob Barr, etc., at least in the "purple" states, is extremely foolish.

113 posted on 10/20/2008 7:28:43 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

The Court has been wrong since Marshall. It tends to hold that if the government does something that is not strictly prohibited by the Constitution, then it is okay.

In reality, the Constitution was written with the implication that government would only be able to do what the Constitution expressly stated it would do, and this was confirmed by the tenth Amendment:

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


114 posted on 10/20/2008 7:34:49 AM PDT by djsherin (The federal government: Because your life isn't screwed up enough!)
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To: rabscuttle385
What are Mr.Baldwin's accomplishments?

What has he governed?

What public decisions has he made and defended?

What policies has he shepherded to fruition? Has he ever run/won a local or nationwide election?

What leftwing orthodoxy's has he defeated or effected?

What is his established expertise?

Does his political party have any electoral success in State Houses or in the US Congress?

115 posted on 10/20/2008 7:50:28 AM PDT by roses of sharon (When the enemy comes in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD will put him to flight (Isaiah 59:19)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t like what we’ve become. Voting for the lesser of two evils time again has gotten us... evil. However, there are only two viable candidates in this race. One of those two will win. Voting for anyone else (no matter how right and noble) helps the candidate you disagree with the most to win.

Please think before you vote.


116 posted on 10/20/2008 7:50:41 AM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Yo-Yo

Murray Rothbard wrote a whole book about why that is not true called “The Case Against the Fed”. I am not sure he is right, but it was an interesting book.


117 posted on 10/20/2008 7:58:51 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Cacique
A wasted protest vote. I hope he is happy in the new education camps Obama and his ilk are preparing for us. McCain is not perfect by any means, but we will be relatively free to oppose him. With Obama we can’t even guarantee there will be elections in two years. Marxists don’t do elections and don’t do democracy and if they do elections, they always fix them and win.You don't really believe that do you? I mean I didn't believe it when the lefty's were saying Bush and Cheney were going to cancel the 2008 elecitons and declare martial law, that the camps are ready to go, yada yada yada. I don't believe it now either.
118 posted on 10/20/2008 8:00:49 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
Obama and his ilk are very different. I urge you to read my post here
119 posted on 10/20/2008 8:05:17 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: roses of sharon
Given how sorry the record of both parties has been, Baldwin's lack of governing expertise is hardly a reason not to vote for him. The fact that three of the four candidates for President and Vice President are members of the same Senate that passed the financial bailout by a wide margin (Obama, McCain, and Biden all voted for it) is reason enough to wish that both parties would somehow go away.

There are other reasons not to vote for any of the third party candidates, specifically the threat of an openly socialist state we would have under Obama and a Democrat supermajority in Congress. However, the "accomplishments" of Senator McCain and most of his fellow Republicans in public office have been terrible for this country.

120 posted on 10/20/2008 8:08:39 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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