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To: tobyhill
The fact is, we have had socialism since FDR. Taxing one citizen in order to give the money to another citizen is socialism, even if you call it "welfare state capitalism." The only question is to what degree you can have socialism and maintain some semblance of a free market.

Our mixed economy has stayed capitalist in nature, while absorbing the inherent inefficiencies of government redistribution. Our ingenuity was able to overcome the hit on our productivity. We survived (barely) the social programs of FDR and LBJ, and started to push back with Reagan, which is why the economy soared these past 28 years.

Obama is a true believing socialist, moreso than FDR or anyone who has held any office in the federal government, ever (except perhaps Henry Wallace). He will make the nationalization of the financial system permanent. He will nationalize health care. He will de facto nationalize the auto industry, although he might leave it in private hands. He will move taxes to punitive levels. All while imposing liberal social policies and demasculating our military. In the military's place, he'll create a "youth volunteer" program, which will provide all kinds of welfare and educational benefits, and morph into a brownshirt brigade.

He, with the connivance of Nancy and Harry, will fundamentally change the structure of the US economy and society. At some point, the balance changes, and it goes from being a free market system with some socialism to a socialist state with some limited freedoms. That point is probably crossed when you have that much of our economy nationalized, and especially when you have a majority dependent on the government. Not to mention 20 million new illegals that Obama's minions would welcome in.

We have never been able to get rid of one program from the New Deal or the Great Society. Not one. If Obama gets these things, even if he doesn't become a dictator and willingly gives up power at the end of his term, it will be exceedingly difficult to undo the damage. Not without a re-boot of the Constitution. How do we get that?

This is a dangerous time.

16 posted on 10/19/2008 6:32:07 PM PDT by Defiant (Obama lies over the ocean,Obama lies over the sea,Obama lies over the ocean.Obama bin Lyin' to me.)
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To: Defiant
Not without a re-boot of the Constitution. How do we get that?

We don't.

The horses are out of the barn, and there ain't no getting them back.

Franklin and Adams, as well as the rest of the Founding Fathers, never intended that just anyone could vote.

In fact, it took three or 4 amendments as well as Motor Voter and Acorn registering drooling morons to get us to the point where we are today.

Make no mistake about it, the people voting for the socialists are exactly the ones the Founders warned against, and who couldn't vote up until 90 years or so ago.

That would be those under 21, women, and the landless.

If Obama wins, it will be these 3 groups that make it possible.

Adams in particular wrote extensively on who should vote and how these 3 groups should not be given the franchise.

The election of 2006 and the fact that Pelosi is 2 heartbeats from POTUS should be evidence enough that it is all over but the shouting for this Republic whether Obama wins or not.

The decline is slowly in progress, freedoms are slipping away, and an unholy alliance of career political incumbents gerrymandered into safe districts allied with socialist propagandists in the press have successfully managed to prevent any challenge to their rule.

God help us.

17 posted on 10/19/2008 6:52:15 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Defiant

When you exercise control over private industry but leave it in the hands of stockholders and boards of directors you are talikng fascism.


18 posted on 10/19/2008 6:57:35 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (Freedom is purchased not with gold, but with steel.)
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