Posted on 10/12/2008 6:05:35 PM PDT by pissant
Try reading what I wrote. Obama only had one US citizen parent, his mother,his father was NOT a US citizen. In order for her children to be born US citizens when born out of the country, according to the law then in effect,and it is essentially the same now, she had to be resident in this country 10 years from the age of 16(or it might have been 14), she gave birth to Obama at age 18, therefore she did not meet the criteria of having her child born a US citizen if he was born out of the country. Therefore, if he was born in Kenya he is NOT a US citizen, Natural or otherwise.
What is the story on the white grandmother?
The story goes that someone went to the library to look in the newspaper archives for the birth announcement and just by chance the librarian had it in a folder on her desk because someone else had been in previously with the same intention in mind and she hadn’t gotten around to filing it away again.
They are pretty late!
The last couple weeks it has been posted here on several vanities/posts!!
Go Freepers, keep the iron hot by posting this criminal coup of infiltrating Islamic Jihadi into our White House!!!
The white grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, who essentially raised him still lives in the same apartment she has lived in for the past 40 years. She had one tightly controlled 30 minute interview with David Mendell in 2004 after Obama’s speech at the Dem Convention. She will be 86 on the 26th of this month and has severe osteoporosis and had a corneal transplant this past summer. When she is contacted by journalists she responds she is not giving interviews as she is unwell. Perhaps the campaign didn’t like it when in the above mentioned interview she said she didn’t trust what foreigners told her and that Obama Sr. was “straaaaaaaange” with an emphasis on the “a”.
There is, at best, an unsubstantiated claim that Obama's Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya. Major claims like that require major proof- you may want to believe that he was born in Kenya, but there is simply not enough evidence of that, especially in light of the fact of his widely-circulated Hawaian birth certificate.
even if he was born in Hawaii as he claims (which I don’t believe), he’s at best a DUAL citizen and is thereby disqualified from running for President.
Dual citizienship is not a Constitutional bar to the Presidency. My son is, from birth, a citizen of the US, Canada and Serbia (and maybe Denmark). He is Constitutionally qualified to be President.
That is incorrect. Natural-born citizen means a citizen from birth, rather than through naturalization. As early as 1790, Congress passed a law clarifying that a child born to American citizens overseas is a natural born citizen. There are some twists that come in when a child is born overseas and only one of his parents is a citizen, but that is jus a question of whether or not a kid is a citizen at birth. That is, there is no such category of American who was a citizen at birth but does not qualify as a natural born citizen.
Do you have a citation for that being the law? I keep looking at the USC and the INA and can't find that language anywhere.
I've got to wonder here ... what difference did it make to her where she had her child? I mean, why would she have tried to get back to the U.S. in her condition? Am I to believe that she had some kind of prescience, knew her baby boy would someday wish to be president?? Or is there some other reason given? It just strikes me as odd.
That is arguable. And that argument has been made here multiple times. What is inarguable, is that a birth in Kenya or some other “unusual” circumstances regarding his birth would expose Obama for creating the forged COLB on his website now. Forging official records to gain the presidency? He will lose his Senate seat also.
For this whole born-in Kenya thing to work, here's how it would have had to come together:
Against all sense, Obama's 9-month pregnant, teenage mother flew halfway around the world to Kenya (a very difficult flight even today, never mind 1961) for some inexplicable reason. Then, a couple of days after the birth, she flew all the way back again, with a newborn, and they came back quickly enough that none of her friends figured out that Barrack was born in Kenya (ask any mother how likely she would have been to take such a trip a couple of days after giving birth). At the same time, her mother ran a birth announcement in the local papers because, with a daughter halfway around the world with a newborn, this was somehow on her priorities list.
His mother was able to bring the kid back into the US with no passport or any other identification for him and subsequently obtain a Hawaii birth certificate, somehow.
Then, for the next 40+ years, everyone with knowledge of this caper kept their mouths shut on the off chance that Barrack might some day run for President.
Does this story really sound within the realm of possibility to anyone?
"No. I know Obama. He is a decent family man and would make a fine president. There is no reason to be afraid of him as president". John McCain
He has a Hawaiian Birth Certificate? WOW. That is breaking news. Can you give us a link and tell Phillip Berg so he will call off his lawsuit?
We've all seen the copy posted on Obama's website. You may not want to believe that it is legit, but until you come up with some credible evidence (other than the fact that scanning something and turning it into a PDF creates imperfections in the image) that it is somehow illegitimate or a forgery, you're just going to keep butting your head up against a wall.
And I wouldn't hitch my train to the Berg wagon. I've read some of the legal documents he has filed and they are embarrassingly bad.
Dealing with the INS is a headache. To be honest it is easier to stay in the country as an illegal alien and get amnesty later than go thru all the paperwork and fees involved in doing it properly.
I can seriously understand why she would have wanted to have him listed as born in the U.S. even if overseas.
To be honest if my wife and I were to adopt a newborn overseas, we would probably be at the hospital during birth and have our names put on the paper instead of dealing with BCIS (new name for INS), and it would have nothing to do with a future presidential run.
As for the birth announcement, could that not have been placed by his grandmother?
I appreciate the post, can see your point. I would ask you, though, that while yes indeedy, bureaucratic red-tape, the INS is a nightmare today, was it such back in 1961, more importantly, would she really have been thinking that at her age??
I’m not hitching my wagon to anything. Never do.
But just because those purveyors of wisdom in the MSM decide this is not a story, doesn’t mean that it isn’t.
Do you seriously think if there was a lawsuit against Palin charging that her COLB was fraudulent (and released to Free Republic first, not the media; and swapped out on her own website for a low resolution version after folks started sniffing around; and who mysteriously decided to use a “Fact Check” organization with a sordid history of distortion for the GOP cause; and whose Grandma in Canada is on record claiming the birth was in Canada; and who adamantly refuses to produce a copy of here original birth certificate, etc, etc) that the MSM would simply decide it is meaningless?
Not exactly. His mother was not old enough (at the time of his birth) to give him citizenship at birth according to the relevant statue in effect at the time.
Of course not. The media is in love with Obama and is in no way objective on this issue. But that does not change that the born-in-Kenya narrative is based on no real credible evidence. You are as guilty as the MSM in your failure to be objective on this issue- you want Obama to be ineligible for the Presidency, so you are willing to accept any evidence to that effect, no matter how thin, while waving aside any evidence to the contrary.
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