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Germany takes hot seat as Europe falls into the Abyss
Telegraph ^ | Oct 5, 2008 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 10/05/2008 6:52:37 PM PDT by Lazamataz

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To: af_vet_1981

Gold isn’t a consumable. It doesn’t tarnish, or corrode. All the things you listed are consumables, and therefore cease to exist when used. Not much of a standard if you can eat/burn/crash your money.


81 posted on 10/05/2008 8:15:56 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All of my hate cannot be found, I will not be drowned by your constant scheming)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for posting those commendable words by Andrew Jackson.


82 posted on 10/05/2008 8:16:51 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz

Where is Old Hickory when we need him most?


83 posted on 10/05/2008 8:17:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
while the make-believe paper PMs on the COMEX are dropping.

That's interesting. Scary, but interesting.

L

84 posted on 10/05/2008 8:19:00 PM PDT by Lurker (She's not a lesbian, she doesn't whine, she doesn't hate her country, and she's not afraid of guns.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Assuming that the corporations that you buy into still exist when the smoke clears. Sometimes they don’t, and you have zippo.


85 posted on 10/05/2008 8:19:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

I always paid spot for junk, $1 over for rounds, and $3 for Eagles. Gold had a premium for the various coins; usually $12-$45.

My dealer said he has had the average Joe buying like crazy but also very large purchases have been made by long standing institutional and government customers. One buyer for silver for the US mint bought every ounce he had earlier this year but had to do so at spot price. I would imagine that was probably 5,000+ ounces. They did so as silver was selling at $17 or so and that was a tidy profit even without the Rounds and Eagle premiums. There has been very little selling back to them even at the high silver prices of over $18.


86 posted on 10/05/2008 8:20:08 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: B Knotts

Surprising that the same thing happening in Europe. At least, with America, the population is growing so there’s a reason for the expansion of the housing supply. But with Europe, the population is declining throughout the continent so how can a bubble exist in the first place?


87 posted on 10/05/2008 8:20:29 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Lazamataz

The DEMOCRATIC PARTY did this to the world...


88 posted on 10/05/2008 8:20:46 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: af_vet_1981

Gold is useful because of history. You don’t need to “sell” the idea of gold as money to anyone.

Let me put it to you this way: Your ass is in a jam. You need to get past some penny-ante bureaucrat. Doesn’t matter where in the world, you just need to get past him, or have him look the other way while you’re doing something.

You can flash a wad of paper. And maybe he’ll take it.

Or you can produce some gold coins - 24K, so he can verify with his teeth that they’re real.

It doesn’t much matter the language barriers or the circumstances, you’ll at *least* have some interest in that gold, if not a ‘sale.’

Go ahead and try explaining a currency based on a basket of commodities to people who are not versed in finance. I’ll still be around for several more years, so take your time and report back how that goes... ;-)


89 posted on 10/05/2008 8:21:30 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Lurker
What we're about to experience is deflation. Housing prices are a leading indicator of that. If there's no money circulating to buy goods, the price of those goods collapses.

Meanwhile, banks are sucked dry as frantic depositors rush to save what they can. Customers are left only with the cash in their pockets as the banks go under. Without money to spend, consumers begin to hoard what cash they have, spending it only when absolutely necessary. Orders for goods drop like a rock as people stop spending. Manufacturing production then plummets as orders dry up. They then begin laying off workers, who, without paychecks coming in, also cease spending money, causing a further demand-side contraction.

The spiral deepens...

90 posted on 10/05/2008 8:33:14 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Lurker
His posted price on Prospectors (silver 1 oz round) was 2 times spot, and that's if he had any which he didn't.

So that would put the cash in hand price on silver at around 22 bucks an ounce. That's just crazy. I don't know how much that helps. A price on something the dealer doesn't have ain't worth much.

Pretty well matches what silver is bringing on ebay. Generally over $20/oz. Makes you wonder what purpose the paper price serves.

91 posted on 10/05/2008 8:33:56 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Actually no country is safe, especially developed ones. Some backwater countries may not be affected much, though.

Thank goodness I live in Arkansas.
92 posted on 10/05/2008 8:37:31 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Travis McGee
"Don't look now, but there's somethin' funny goin' on over at the bank, George..."
93 posted on 10/05/2008 8:39:41 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Arkinsaw
Actually no country is safe, especially developed ones. Some backwater countries may not be affected much, though.

Thank goodness I live in Arkansas.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

94 posted on 10/05/2008 8:39:52 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: Travis McGee

I just learned the difference between “government guaranteed” and liquid.


95 posted on 10/05/2008 8:45:07 PM PDT by gotribe (The right pick!)
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To: Hattie
"Is Soros doing this?"

Bears looking into. He's collapsed other markets (Asia) for fun,

96 posted on 10/05/2008 8:45:42 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Travis McGee
"Sometimes they don’t, and you have zippo."

That will depend on how thoughtfully you purchased. - For example, right now heavy duty pickup trucks are selling cheap, and high fuel economy sedans are selling high, but after a collapse, that situation will tilt 180 degrees, as a sedan will be worthless for driving to the job you don't have, and equally worthless for doing the productive, income producing work of a truck. The same principle can be applied to stocks.

97 posted on 10/05/2008 8:47:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: Hattie
"Is Soros doing this?"

No, but some of his friends did it.

The executives at Fannie, and Freddie, essentially all Obama democrats, deliberately scuttled those corporations for the express purpose of affecting the election. It was a huge gamble, but they are all pragmatists (i.e. the ends justify the means) and see the election of their doofus as an infinately valuable goal.

98 posted on 10/05/2008 8:53:10 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obama isn't just an empty suit, he's a suit-Bomb trying to sneak into the White House.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you think that he will get elected?


99 posted on 10/05/2008 8:59:23 PM PDT by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: MinorityRepublican

If that’s not odd enough, consider that it was especially bad in Spain.


100 posted on 10/05/2008 9:06:55 PM PDT by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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