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To: Scythian
Don't be so quick to buy into this.

The outlet -- Natural News and "German government researchers", per The Guardian -- are very likely agenda-driven.

It's not unlikely that clothianidin is the DDT of today.

14 posted on 10/01/2008 2:00:24 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

I don’t buy into this article...

I think the lack of bees has to do with the weakening of our magnetic field that I have been reading about...

IS that also the cause for the bat die offs too?


30 posted on 10/01/2008 2:08:19 PM PDT by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: okie01
The outlet -- Natural News and "German government researchers", per The Guardian -- are very likely agenda-driven.

..and sounds like you do also.

53 posted on 10/01/2008 2:32:37 PM PDT by am452 (Paulson is the Andrew Lesko of Wall Street)
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To: okie01; TaraP

Google ‘clothianidin bees’ and you’ll find a number of others sources for this info. Clothianidin is classified as toxic to bees. The problem is that clothianidin is supposed to be applied in a way that would cause it to cling to the seeds. Depending on conditions, it doesn’t always do that, and then its toxicity to bees comes into play.

The high level of clothianidin found in nearly all the dead bees is a strong clue, regardless of the agenda of the news source.

The fact that Bayer CropScience agreed to pay $3MM for damages is also inconvenient to your anti-agenda. BCS isn’t claiming that clothianidin is not toxic or that it isn’t the proximate casue of the bee die-off. Rather they are saying that clothianidin is safe when used as directed. Those directions lead to clothianidin being used in a manner that doesn’t expose bees to clothianidin.

Accusing the news source of being agenda driven doesn’t release you of your responsibility for applying the established facts of a matter in a logical manner.

If you have an actual argument to make, make it. Accusing the news source of being agenda driven does not win the point in the absence of a rational argument.


55 posted on 10/01/2008 2:33:00 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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