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To: okie01; TaraP

Google ‘clothianidin bees’ and you’ll find a number of others sources for this info. Clothianidin is classified as toxic to bees. The problem is that clothianidin is supposed to be applied in a way that would cause it to cling to the seeds. Depending on conditions, it doesn’t always do that, and then its toxicity to bees comes into play.

The high level of clothianidin found in nearly all the dead bees is a strong clue, regardless of the agenda of the news source.

The fact that Bayer CropScience agreed to pay $3MM for damages is also inconvenient to your anti-agenda. BCS isn’t claiming that clothianidin is not toxic or that it isn’t the proximate casue of the bee die-off. Rather they are saying that clothianidin is safe when used as directed. Those directions lead to clothianidin being used in a manner that doesn’t expose bees to clothianidin.

Accusing the news source of being agenda driven doesn’t release you of your responsibility for applying the established facts of a matter in a logical manner.

If you have an actual argument to make, make it. Accusing the news source of being agenda driven does not win the point in the absence of a rational argument.


55 posted on 10/01/2008 2:33:00 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace

So are EMR’s and other studies...
Magnetic waves..I think the Bee Collapse has to do with other studies having to do with EMR’s...


83 posted on 10/01/2008 3:03:57 PM PDT by TaraP (A Big Black Horse and a Cherry Tree)
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To: savedbygrace
Accusing the news source of being agenda driven doesn’t release you of your responsibility for applying the established facts of a matter in a logical manner.

If you have an actual argument to make, make it. Accusing the news source of being agenda driven does not win the point in the absence of a rational argument.

Did I say clothianidin was not the culprit?

No, I did not.

Did I say that we shouldn't trust news outlets with an agenda?

Yes, I did.

And I'll stand by that.

The fact that Bayer may have paid an expensive penalty doesn't change the equation, either. We all know companies that, for PR reasons, have chosen to settle a legal affair rather than defend themselves at trial.

By background, I am a one-time farmer whom so-called environmentalists accused of "polluting the environment" when nothing could have been further from the truth. Those were charges that were a.) baseless and b.) we successfully defended ourselves against. I've been there when the enviro-whackos brought out their long knives and I don't want to be lectured on the subject.

Most of what you read about the environment, most of what you hear, thru the media ain't true. Period.

109 posted on 10/01/2008 3:32:06 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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