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Bayer Pesticide Chemicals Linked to Devastating Collapse of Honeybee Populations
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Posted on 10/01/2008 1:47:28 PM PDT by Scythian

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To: VlPu; darkwing104; Darksheare; null and void; NicknamedBob
I know the people who wrote the 08 US president script.

A moose bit my sister, once.

161 posted on 10/01/2008 5:16:11 PM PDT by fanfan (SCC:Canadians have constitutional protection to all opinions, as long as they are based on the facts)
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To: Cold Heat; slag
“The plight of the humble Beekeeper: Fifteen billion dollars on the wing”

http://forums.egullet.org/index.php?showtopic=97813

“...They work more than ninety food crops.”

“Bees don't just pollinate your food, they pollinate food for your food. Alfalfa and clover, both cattle feed, need to be pollinated in order to produce seeds for the next year's crop. Bees, then, are an important link in dairy and beef production.”

“Bees get ready for winter by storing food, kicking out male bees, and sealing the hive.”

(LOL! That's what it says. Can any of you men relate?)

Then it goes on to say, “Male bees don't do any work, and so they are a drain on resources.”

(Are male bees voting for Obama?)

But seriously, here is another good article:

“Declining bee population threatens major growers”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6299480

I personally don't want to have to eat food that tastes like cardboard if the honeybees disappear. I hope they solve it soon.

162 posted on 10/01/2008 5:24:00 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: GOP Poet
LOL! I started killing Black Widows myself years ago, after my exterminator told me it is very difficult to get them all. He said they can fly in on a web strand and land in the middle of the yard that hadn't been sprayed and find a comfy home near there. I would have the yard sprayed, $$$, and still find one or two hiding in various places. I finally got rid of the exterminator because the only spiders I didn't want were the Wids. So, I do it myself, but yes it was scary at first. They are very smart and sense the slightest movement. The main thing to look for is a very “sticky” web.
163 posted on 10/01/2008 5:37:07 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer

BEE BAR

164 posted on 10/01/2008 5:39:58 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: sam_paine

Let me know when bees fall dead after visiting a tobacco field.

Moderation, yes, but meanwhile organic stuff plain tastes better, too, and that’s enough to warrant a modest price increment for the chef in me. But each of us is different, with different sensitivities. I have a neurological problem that makes me more sensitive to insecticides than most folks, so there’s another reason. If non-organic works for you, great.


165 posted on 10/01/2008 6:12:32 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Dukakis had a tank. Obama has a bracelet!])
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To: metmom

Thanks for the alert on this one.

I cross posted it to the food thread.


166 posted on 10/01/2008 6:43:01 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=451 SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: slag
Yes, we can keep this up for months, but the validity of the importance of bees in our ag sector remains, just as it does in Europe where they have been growing crops much longer than us, or anyone else.

This entire issue with this thread and bees, is caused by seed treatments to increase the yields on corn and canola. Two crops.....that don't need bees, yet are affecting bees to make goofy oil that has no cholesterol and methanol for cars.

I think it could be said that we have hurt the Ag sector to make the enviro's happy.

Can we agree on that? perhaps.....Is there a political side to this that we may be missing?

167 posted on 10/01/2008 6:54:24 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
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To: Cold Heat
No problem here I enjoyed the discussion. By the way I make my living in the Ag sector and yes their is always politics involved.
168 posted on 10/01/2008 7:22:39 PM PDT by slag
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To: Fred Nerks

LOL!


169 posted on 10/01/2008 8:15:37 PM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=1 man+1 woman! Vote "YES" on Prop 8, amend the Calif. State Constitution this November.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The ones I bought originally were Italian.....and you're right. Very gentle and fun to work with. I had to be gone for a month....and when I came back... they got a bit aggressive and swarmed. I took the swarm and put them in another hive with the queen. They stayed about 2 mo... but swarmed again and left before I could secure another hive.

Several months later I noticed they were back... but they really challenge me if I get too near the hives. So.... I just watch them do their thing and leave them alone. When I feed them in winter... I wait until after sunset. It's very time-consuming to keep up with them properly....and I can't do that right now with my schedule. I'd love to steal some honey...but I've forgotten what/when/how to do all of that. One of these days I'll break out all the books and try my hand again. :)

170 posted on 10/01/2008 8:56:47 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Aliska

I forget to share that there are some really potent garlic sprays that work too. We have tons of humming birds so I am very careful of what I use.

Also...I would never allow the traps to get close to plants I don’t want the beetles on.


171 posted on 10/02/2008 4:47:40 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

bump


172 posted on 10/02/2008 6:51:23 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: savedbygrace
Do you agree that clothianidin is the culprit?

The data, if true, certainly suggest it.

In any event, it is certainly unclear whether it is the manufacturer or the end-users who are at fault.

173 posted on 10/02/2008 10:26:37 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: okie01

I can agree with all that.


174 posted on 10/02/2008 10:36:28 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: SumProVita
Also...I would never allow the traps to get close to plants I don’t want the beetles on.

That's the problem. Plants almost everywhere. Or too close to the street, etc. They work best in almost full sun. And you don't want them to fly over any plants they like to get to the traps. The roof might work or high in a tree they don't like, but can't get up there.

Anyway, one lady was so swarmed in central IL she couldn't go outside for awhile, heard them banging against the house. There was a newspaper article about the invasion and her. She claimed to have made a homebrew of lemon juice, vinegar, and dish soap (prob dil w/water). A couple of us tried to call her and find out the proportions but no luck. I thought I might guess and do an experiment, maybe 1/2 cup to a gallon.

I'll freepmail you a copy of the article I saved but the formatting will be bad.

I don't know if garlic would work or not. I've got that liquid fence stuff but think no. Some people blend up dead beetle cocktail and spray that, too gross for me.

If you read anything that sounds easy, fairly safe and promising, please ping me. Even laying down milky spore won't be all that easy for me, terrace, may have to do it twice or more to get it going. They will still come in from neighbors who don't do it.

Not enough people care yet in my community for there to be an effort on that front. One lady in TN trapped enough over the years, she not only helped farmers close by (they like corn silk) but this year she hardly had any. I've got instructions for a modified trap. The bags don't work that great and nasty to empty and change; bait part works several weeks.

175 posted on 10/02/2008 11:19:25 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: GOP Poet

Yes, it’s a beautiful day here in Sacramento. The edge is off of the heat, the birds are singing and life is good. — watching the hummingbirds drink out of our backyard fountain, hearing a couple of frogs croaking from my potted plants on the patio and watching the horses run the pasture.

Re the garden, can’t wait to get out and plant my tulip bulbs when it really cools off here. Getting some rain tomorrow, and so the wet season begins.

We are in a rural area of Sacramento, so we can get some nasty bugs — white flies and black widow spiders. My dogs each gotten bitten by a black widow once while sitting out in the orchard, and for one of them it was pretty serious. So, while I look for the natural choice when I can, there are limits. I do have the perimeter of my house sprayed to stop bugs from entering the house.

Usually, when I have a basic garden problem pest, I try to find a natural solution — lady bugs & the like. Second line of defense is my grandmother’s “homemade insecticide” — cooled water from boiled tobacco with a couple drops of dishwashing liquid in it, delivered from a spray bottle. It’s only when all those things have been defeated that I pull out “the big guns” — commercial insecticide. And with those white flies, I would have nuked them if I could!

Hope that all is well with you, too, on our beautiful, beloved coast!


176 posted on 10/02/2008 4:23:01 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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