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Guns May Be Allowed At Churches, Colleges [GA]
CBS46 ^ | September 24, 2008 | staff reporter

Posted on 09/24/2008 1:16:36 PM PDT by Daffynition

ATLANTA -- Georgia lawmakers are considering allowing guns in more public places, including churches, sporting events, and even university campuses.

Religious leaders were among those who spoke out against the possible changes Tuesday, saying churches, temples and mosques should remain gun-free sanctuaries.

The chairman of a state Senate study committee looking at Georgia's firearms laws cautioned that any proposed legislation was in its infancy.

"We're working toward a draft," said state Sen. Mitch Seabaugh, a Republican from Sharpsburg.

But "template" legislation circulated Tuesday would make it possible for the estimated 300,000 Georgians with gun permits to carry their weapons to more public gatherings.

Gun rights supporters have complained for years that Georgia's public gathering restrictions are far too strict. They ban weapons at bars, sporting events, political rallies, churches and public buildings.

Those laws began to ease earlier this year as Georgia legislators passed a bill allowing those with permits to carry firearms in state parks, mass transit and in restaurants that serve alcohol. Gov. Sonny Perdue signed the law, which took effect July 1.

It is currently illegal to carry a gun into a house of worship. A trio of religious leaders told the lawmakers they want it to remain that way.

"Churches, synagogues and communities of faith should be protected places," Pastor Bradley Schmeling, of St. John's Lutheran Church in Atlanta, said.

He and others pointed to deadly shootings at churches in recent years.

But Seabaugh echoed an argument that has been made regularly among some gun rights advocates: The death toll at some of those churches might have been lower if parishioners were armed and able to fight back.

Seabaugh said he could support an opt-out provision allowing churches that don't want guns to keep them out.

College campuses have also been struck by violence. And officials with the Georgia Board of Regents said Tuesday they want the law banning guns on university campuses to remain intact.

But Matthew Podowitz of Atlanta said the law needs updating to remove ambiguities that leave him guessing whether he is complying or not.

"It puts me at risk of being prosecuted even when I try to comply," Podowitz said.

Georgia lawmakers could consider changes to the state's gun laws when they return to the Capitol in January.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; churchandstate; govwatch; propertyrights
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1 posted on 09/24/2008 1:16:37 PM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

Just keep making places where anyone who wants to use a gun for a crime know where to victimize people who do not have one accessible.

Back in the 80’s my church had a guy come in during service and he shot several before subdued. Of those that remember it I’d venture that about 1 in 5 now carry in church.

I carry everywhere including picking my kids up at school. Key phrases to remember “concealed”, “better to have it and not need it...”, “better judged by 12 than carried by 6”.


2 posted on 09/24/2008 1:21:05 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Daffynition

Any owner of private property, whether churches, bars, shopping malls, or sports venues has the absolute right to bar weapons from their premises. While I’m all for CCW, I think to be consistent constitutionally you have to be all for the rights of property owners.


3 posted on 09/24/2008 1:23:10 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: Daffynition

Obama’s horror. People bitterly clinging to their guns AND God at the same time !


4 posted on 09/24/2008 1:29:41 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Why we even have these wrong-headed laws in the first place irks me.

I hope this doesn’t stall in the GA legislature and just disappear. Every state should be reversing these laws that go against my natural rights. Might as well make GA a test study and hope it spreads like wildfire.


5 posted on 09/24/2008 1:32:53 PM PDT by Daffynition (Follow the dots: Davis, Ayers, Dohrn, Malley, SorosÂ… use a RED crayon.)
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To: Daffynition
"Churches, synagogues and communities of faith should be protected places.."

AKA target rich environments for psychopathic killers.

6 posted on 09/24/2008 1:35:31 PM PDT by Jaxter (Everything I needed to know about Obama I learned by Googling "Black Liberation Theology".)
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To: DryFly

Yes, they can have whatever policy they want,but they do not have the right for the government to ban guns for them.


7 posted on 09/24/2008 1:35:50 PM PDT by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: DryFly

Well, that’s OK.

People also have the right to go to other “churches, bars, shopping malls, or sports venues”.


8 posted on 09/24/2008 1:37:39 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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To: DryFly

Any owner of private property, whether churches, bars, shopping malls, or sports venues has the absolute right to bar weapons from their premises


With rights come responsibilities. If you restrict my right of self defense with a weapon, you should be absolutely responsible for providing for my defense, and legally liable for my injury or death if you fail to protect me.

Allow me to carry, so I can defend myself, or be strictly liable for protecting me.


9 posted on 09/24/2008 1:43:36 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: DryFly

I don’t agree with you when that property is open to the public.

As far as I’m concerned if there’s a gun concealed on my hip it’s no business of yours.

Look at it logically, would you prohibit people carrying knives? People carrying sharp pens?

Would you think your right to restrict what a person carries on their person permits you to ban the contents of their wallets? How about people carrying pictures of Barack Obama? What about people with Communist Party membership cards?

What about YMCA cards?

See, the way I see it, my clothes, my wallet, the contents of my pockets and whatever weapon I am carrying, be it gun, knife, baton or sharp pen, is my right to carry, and no store keeper should have the right to tell me what I can and cannot carry upon my person.

Ed


10 posted on 09/24/2008 1:43:36 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Jaxter

“”Churches, synagogues and communities of faith should be protected places..”

AKA target rich environments for psychopathic killers.”

A good reason to stay home and watch a TV preacher...not. I prefer to protect myself, the Minister’s and Rabi’s can pray for a miracle and hope an armed churchgoer responds.


11 posted on 09/24/2008 1:44:13 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (I think faster than I type, lousy proofreader, deal with it.)
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To: Daffynition
These priests and pastors just don't get it. Piety alone is no protection from someone hell-bent on violence and mayhem. It's like that shootout in the church in Colorado last year didn't register at all.

It just burns me up when these people put religious dogma ahead of reality and common sense.

Oh yeah, I regularly carry when I go to church. Nobody knows it, so don't tell anyone, okay?

12 posted on 09/24/2008 1:48:15 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: Daffynition

I am all right with guns being most everywhere, as long as it is in public. If a church does not want guns on its premises, it is not up to the government to demand that they permit it, either.

Corporations shouldn’t be able to generally exclude gun owning employees, though, except as an immediate safety risk.

Heck, a know a bunch of otherwise nice people that I wouldn’t let bring a gun into my house, either. I know a lot who I would, but that’s not the point.

Don’t want any guns in the MRI lab. But then again, I don’t want any magnetic metal in the MRI lab at all.

I knew of a judge who frequently gave court orders to women with violent ex-boyfriends and husbands, that they *had* to be armed in public. And that’s good too. He noted that after he started doing this, violent assaults against those women dropped to zero.

And finally, I prefer CC to open carry, because I think it matters far less what a violent criminal thinks, than what a violent criminal knows. That is, I care less if an open carry weapon makes him think he better not try it on right then; than that he is unaware that a CC holder has drawn down on him and he is about to become air conditioned.


13 posted on 09/24/2008 1:50:44 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DryFly
Private property rights need to be protected however the line becomes somewhat blurred for private property used for public access. Example, a bar can't hang a sign that blacks aren't allowed but a private homeowner can refuse anyone for any reason to their property.

Li scened CCW carriers should be able to carry everywhere our public officials are allowed to carry.

If a uniformed cop with a gun can go into the bar uninvited, then so should a CCW holder.

There is a 2nd Amendment, this is a right not a option.

14 posted on 09/24/2008 1:50:59 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Daffynition
"Churches, synagogues and communities of faith should be protected places,"

Indeed - just like anywhere else that carry is allowed. Despite the classic sentiment, God doesn't give some buildings special protections just because we think He should.

15 posted on 09/24/2008 1:51:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: nevergore

Of course there is the 2nd Amendment as well as the 1st.

As a property owner I can tell you what you can and can’t say.

Ie profanity, wearing profane t-shirts, you can’t petition on my property.

Property Rights should not infringed on by another person.

In contrast, more liberty should be given to carrying a CCW onto Public property.


16 posted on 09/24/2008 1:56:52 PM PDT by BGHater (Democracy is the road to socialism.)
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To: BGHater

You didn’t address my point of private property used for public access.

Can you refuse blacks service in your business if they meet your dress codes and behavior standards that you expect of all your patrons?

If not, per your own definition, shouldn’t it be your private property rights to do so?

Not picking on you but where is the real line? I’m not sure myself.


17 posted on 09/24/2008 2:05:37 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Sir_Ed

If a property owner desires to keep out guns, knives, etc., then yes he should be able to do so. To say otherwise, that is to say that I have a right to carry a gun onto another’s property, is to say that the government must act to protect that right by jailing or otherwise punishing the property owner. Just as your right to swing your fist end’s at the tip of your neighbor’s nose, your right to carry ends at his threshold. The government need not ban it, but the property owner must be allowed to or he is being deprived of his right to truly own it.


18 posted on 09/24/2008 2:05:58 PM PDT by DryFly
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To: Daffynition
If Jesus were around today, you can bet your ass that he'd be packing some heat:


19 posted on 09/24/2008 2:06:48 PM PDT by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: Daffynition

I’d love for some Conservatives to run for and win elected office in NYC. Another massive Liberal stronghold of all sorts.


20 posted on 09/24/2008 2:10:04 PM PDT by wastedyears (Now sadly living in the DPRNYC [Brooklyn])
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