Posted on 09/21/2008 6:05:34 AM PDT by Zakeet
Here’s a sad monument to the sleaziness of this presidential campaign: Almost one-third of voters “know” that Barack Obama is a Muslim or believe that he could be.
In short, the political campaign to transform Mr. Obama into a Muslim is succeeding. The real loser as that happens isn’t just Mr. Obama, but our entire political process.
A Pew Research Center survey released a few days ago found that only half of Americans correctly know that Mr. Obama is a Christian. Meanwhile, 13 percent of registered voters say that he is a Muslim, compared with 12 percent in June and 10 percent in March.
More ominously, a rising share — now 16 percent — say they aren’t sure about his religion because they’ve heard “different things” about it.
When I’ve traveled around the country, particularly to my childhood home in rural Oregon, I’ve been struck by the number of people who ask something like: That Obama — is he really a Christian? Isn’t he a Muslim or something? Didn’t he take his oath of office on the Koran?
In conservative Christian circles and on Christian radio stations, there are even widespread theories that Mr. Obama just may be the Antichrist. Seriously.
John Green, of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, says that about 10 percent of Americans believe we may be in the Book of Revelation’s “end times” and are on the lookout for the Antichrist. A constant barrage of e-mail and broadcasts suggest that Mr. Obama just may be it.
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Mr. McCain himself is not popular with evangelicals. But they will vote for him if they think the other guy may be on Satan’s side.
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What is happening, I think, is this: religious prejudice is becoming a proxy for racial prejudice.
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I still think he’s a muslim, or has leanings in that direction.
What does that make me according to the NYT?
Anyone who doesn’t vote for Sarah Palin is a sexist!
See,it works both ways.
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actually ... it doesn’t.
Really, I don’t think Obama is religious at all, unless there is a church of Obama.
He joined the black militant church for political reasons ... that has been fairly well established.
It’s impossible to know what is in someone’s heart about religion, but all outward signs point to indifference on Obama’s part.
I thought so at first, but I don't think the Antichrist would need a teleprompter to sound articulate.
I am a bigot. I’m against people who vote “present” on protecting babies who survive an abortion. After votes like that, there is nothing to even discuss.
I agree with you. Additionally, it is in our human nature to share what we do know to be true, especially when we have overcome a temptation ourselves. Perhaps not boastfully, but in a fashion to glorify truth which we have.
A person raised in an antichristian environment, especially in a childhood preparing him to become a Muslim leader, upon acceptance of faith in Christ, is more likely to immediately seize any opportunity available to communicate the Gospel, as well as communicate the true threats of Islam exercised in covert fashions.
There is also no attack upon God through faith in Christ by which one can overcome and persevere in Him. Obama once commented that he was offended by comments he was Muslim. A believer in fellowship with God through faith in Christ isn’t offended by such a situation, rather a believer is likely to clarify and explain why faith in Christ is so much different than the presumption of Islam. Offense is far removed from the believer in faith. If God is for us, then who can be against us and prevail?
On the contrary, if a person coming from a Muslim background, had the perception that Christianity is just a comparative religion to Islam, and those who attended a church were nothing more than a religious country club members, expecting public accolades for religious morality and community Crusades, then I understand how such a person might be offended in their thinking by an allusion to their religious identity.
Some have suggested Obama has been groomed for his position, in no small part by his personal arrogance, and seeks to blend into public acceptance as being a ‘good’ person. Such a personality fits the mold of a worldly person, who may also trigger many a spiritual sin as well.
I haven’t found anything within Obama worthy of promotion, beyond perhaps the nightshift manager at a fast food restaurant or a video rental store. There are plenty of positions for such talents and I do not deny him that opportunity.
When he has been placed in positions to synthesize his own mental constructs and express them, I have been impressed by an incredibly arrogant lack of love for his fellow man. I also observe him attempting to foment imaginative thoughts in his audience independent of God, and frequently seeking to place himself as the focus or intermediary of their reliance. He tolerates and condones those who exalt him above even God Himself and seems to further harden his heart against those with faith through Christ.
The more I think about how I describe his behavior from my observations, the more it dawns on me that he very well identifies as antiChristian.
It was not a political campaign to transform Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the charismatic, messianic Magic, um, Mulatto from a “Christian” into a Muslim - he was ALWAYS a Muslim.
Child of a non-practicing Muslim, stepson of a practicing Muslim who sent young Barack to a madrassah in Indonesia, one of the most Muslim of non-Arabic states in a part of the world dominiated by Muslim expansionism and hegemony.
Even the participation in the Trinity Church of Christ, there was a pulpit shared and even commanded by the Nation of Islam, a psuedo-religious cult based more or less loosely on the Islamic religion of the Middle East, and including the Black Liberation theology as one of its chief tenents and foundations.
NOI is not a REAL Muslim theology, it is there mostly as a rejection of orthodox Christianity. In this, the Trinity congregation is willing to suspend disbelief long enough to believe that NOI and the Trinity Church of Christ are of one mind and present a united front to the world.
Is Obama a Muslim? Probably not in the accepted sense of the term, but he certainly does not have any aversion to them either.
Worth repeating.
Like most secular leftists, he regards Western Civilization as an evil, and America as the worst offender. So in any battle between the West and the Islamic world, his heart will be with the latter. Not so much because he worships Allah and follows the Koran, but because Islam is against the West. Look at how atheist leftists in Europe bend over backwards to accommodate Islam. They do this because they utterly despise Christianity and Western culture, so anything that eats away at Western Christendom from within will get their sympathy.
Thus, Obama will have warm feelings toward Islam even though he doesn't believe in God himself. He also likely feels some ancestral attachment to it because of family heritage on the black side (he doesn't give a damn about his white side). But like most modern leftists, he's an atheist determined to bring about heaven on earth via the Marxist utopia. If Islam helps bring America and the West to its knees, so that his dictatorial desires can blossom, then he'll accommodate Islam and marginalize Christians and Jews.
“What is happening, I think, is this: religious prejudice is becoming a proxy for racial prejudice.”
It doesn’t matter. After the election, win,lose or draw, white America will still be accused of racism. We might as well win.
I read yesterday that Pakistan, during the years that Obama visited the country, was only admitting Muslims and no members of other faiths. I don’t know if that is true or not, but it was a curious bit of information to throw into the mix.
His remark about people clinging to a belief God because of economic problems (rather than sincere belief) is pure Atheism 101-as well as an echo of a famous Marx quote : “Religion is the opium of the people”.
Exactly!
Mr. Kristof,
In your blog at http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/03/05/, you quote at length from a transcript of an interview with Senator Obama, the same interview that you based your March 6 column, Obama: Man of the World.
First, why have you never released the actual audio from that interview?
Second, the call to prayer, the adhan, starts with the shahada. The shahada is the Islamic creed. Reciting that creed is an act that affirms that one is a Muslim. I myself would never do so --- would you do so, understanding that such a public recitation is profession of one's belief in Islam?
There is simply no way for Senator Obama to be incognizant of the seriousness of that recitation; not only did he study the Koran as a child, he even remembers his lessons well enough to recite the shahada in Arabic.
I myself find it depressing that you descend to using your very prominent platform at the New York Times to call people xenophobes and bigots. Is ad hominem truly the only response that you have to the contention that Senator Obama has clearly professed himself a Muslim?
Resume of: B HUSSEIN OBAMA
1.) COLB
Proven fake by more than one source
2.) Sketchy childhood
We know some details - Lots of gaps - muslim?
3.) College thesis has vanished
Was it anything like Michele’s?
4.) Overseas travel
Pakistan? Why? On what passport?
5.) Law records
What cases did he represent?
6.) Senate records disappeared
What was he trying to hide?
7.) Associations
Rev Wright, Ft Flager, Ayers, Rezko, Davis, Michele etc.
8.) Senate voting record
That speaks for itself
9.) SCOTUS
Who would his choices be?
10.) Proven Liar
11.) Inexperience
12.) Racist, Sexist, Radical, Marxist views
On the “View” Michelle said that the Obama’s ate bacon. Obama said he carried his favorite god in his pocket, the Hindu “Monkey god”,, so that is not a Christian thing to do either. I think that Obama would say absolutely anything to gain a vote.
**my childhood home in rural Oregon,**
I’m not claiming him. Good riddance!
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