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To: TomEwall

Honestly...I’m a union guy....there are alot of union people they are counting on that wont vote for a black man....ever....for any reason...they all yell “hell yea”...until they get in the voting booth...

I’ve been reminding guys that Todd is a stealworker, oil work is union work...etc etc..

Think being a union guy on FR is hard?...try being a conservative in a Union...

*grin*


3 posted on 09/13/2008 10:27:09 PM PDT by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Crim

You are definitely on the front lines of the conservative movement. I grew up in Michigan and I agree with you, a lot of UAW workers will never vote for a black guy, especially if they tired to get a son in the union and saw the spot given to someone else for “diversity”.


4 posted on 09/13/2008 10:29:53 PM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: Crim

Have you heard of the “Bradley effect”? This refers to just the behavior you’re describing, where a person will say he will vote for a Black candidate, but doesn’t actually do so, leading to Black candidates polling better than they actually perform. Wiki has an interesting article on this.

According to the Wiki article, this effect is more pronounced in states where the Black population is smaller.


7 posted on 09/13/2008 10:34:36 PM PDT by TomEwall
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To: Crim
Think being a union guy on FR is hard?...try being a conservative in a Union...

*grin*

Been there, done that (actually, still there, still doing that...)

the infowarrior

11 posted on 09/13/2008 10:37:49 PM PDT by infowarrior (“Let the voters decide if Palin is laughable.”-Tublecane)
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To: Crim
You go Crim! :-). Thanks for the post. Sounds as though the Bradley effect is alive and well going into this election.

I am curious if there is a percentage factor to figure in when calculating polls for the BE, but I guess we will find out on election day.

Great news about Todd and you reminding fellow union workers. What an interesting mixture of real life the Palins bring to us :-).

15 posted on 09/13/2008 10:41:44 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: Crim

I have this argument with a buddy at work all the time.

I agree that there are certainly a percentage of yahoos who just won’t vote for a black man (although for the record, I was born in Africa and I’m darker than Whitney Houston). I find that pretty disgusting since I would vote for Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams in a heartbeat.

However, we disagree on the percentages.

I put it at 4% max. He says it’s higher, closer to 20%. There is no denying that there is a Bradley effect in the polling that even the drive bys acknowledge. Nobody is going to tell a stranger on the phone in a poll that they have reservations about voting for a _______ (fill in the blank)

In answer to the question posed in this vanity, I would say the odds of Obama winning are 100:1. This will be a landslide McCain Palin victory.

The MSM will blame it on racism. That’s nonsense.

It has everything to do with this particular candidate being unqualified and a closet Saul Alinsky style America hating Marxist.


18 posted on 09/13/2008 10:43:27 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Crim

“Honestly...I’m a union guy....there are alot of union people they are counting on that wont vote for a black man....ever....for any reason...they all yell “hell yea”...until they get in the voting booth...”

Crim - SO interesting that you said that - just tonight, I heard a panel on a CNN panel special with Roland Martin about how people feel about “issues” such as gender, race, age, etc. - and there was a union person saying that he felt certain many union members will undoubtedly, despite what they say - in the booth, vote for Obama.


23 posted on 09/13/2008 10:50:14 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: Crim
Conservative and in a Union?
59 posted on 09/13/2008 11:37:35 PM PDT by redstateconfidential ("Go to the mattresses")
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To: Crim
Think being a union guy on FR is hard?...try being a conservative in a Union...

I did it for 38 years. I paid my union dues but never went to union meetings because I would have had to listen to a bunch of Democrat hogwash.

62 posted on 09/13/2008 11:42:23 PM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Crim

Hey Crim I got u beat..... try being a “straight conservative” in WEST HOLLYWOOD!


80 posted on 09/14/2008 8:09:42 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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