[Conservative Actuary]

You are definitely on the front lines of the conservative movement. I grew up in Michigan and I agree with you, a lot of UAW workers will never vote for a black guy, especially if they tired to get a son in the union and saw the spot given to someone else for “diversity”.

[Bush Revolution]

We are stationed in Hawaii and being in the military you obviously meet people from all over. That being said. a friend of ours came over from Ohio and said there is no way Obama can win Ohio (speaking about Ken Blackwell running for gov). I can see McCain winning PA. Blue collar voters don't trust him.

[Crim]

Toledo is still a union town...and work is good right now...

Trying to educate a tradesman into the realization that his employment is directly tied to capitol investment in property is a chore sometimes....but most guys get it after a while....not the rabid ones though...

This IS still Ohio...

Most union guys here are ....

Pro-gun

pro-life

Anti-terrorist

Anti-appeasment

Proud Americans

But many of them are also busy and only get news from TV or the Union...thus many suffer from BDS (bush derangement syndrome)...

I've even seen the conspiracy movie “loose change” floated around the hall ( I raised holy hell)...

Our union monthly regularly posts pics of serving union members and are VERY pro troop...

These are the very people Alinsky (oh-bama mentor) talks about...the working class....

The only way for the left to gain control is to artificially created the conditions of hopelessness and disaffection...

The wild card here is patriotism, real emancipation or working women/mothers and an undercurrent of racism for a black canidate...

IIRC the Bush cross over votes for union members was 40%?

I suspect...what ever it was....it's going to be higher in this election...

Just my amateur opinion...