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To: calcowgirl

We have very good coverage here on KABC (7). The rail car that is being worked on by emergency responders, has been destroyed.

This Metrolink train had three cars and the engine. Cars 2 and 3 behind the engine remained upright, but everyone was thrown in those cars. People landed in heaps 1 to whatever deep. Broken noses, legs, arms... it was a mess even in those cars. Some critical injuries even in them.

The front passenger car was penetrated by the engine being driven back into the car. The force of the passenger cars moving forward coupled with the force of the engine coming to a stop and being driven backwards by the freight train, drove that engine about half the way into the forward passenger rail car.

Seats and rail car infrastructure in the front passenger car were compacted in the back of the car, humans mixed in. The engine worked somewhat like a plunger, just pushing everything back into the half of the car that remained. The engine also pealed the sides of the train outward.

There are nine windows in in the center section of the car that make up about the center 60% of the car. The engine penetrated that car about back to about 4.5 windows in that section. It’s fairly clear that about half that car was simply obliterated during the impact.

The three cars would normally carry about 350 to 450 individuals. Friday evenings the passengers seem to drop a bit. Folks who drive into the city on Monday morning drive out on Friday evenings. That’s what Metorlink reports.

It was likely there were about 150 passengers in each of the three cars. It’s not uncommon for folks to be standing room only at times, but this may not have been the case today. Passengers do no check in like they do at the airport. If you have a pass or a ticket, you get on. There is no exact manifest. Metrolink doesn’t know exactly how many were on board.

With half the front car no longer there, the remainder of that car compacted in the remaining half, seats just a jumbled mess, it’s hard for me to understand how there could only be ten fatalities. I told my wife initially that there had to be at least 25 dead. After looking at the dynamics involved in that front car, it would seem an absolute miracle to me if 50 to 75 people weren’t dead in that front car.

Still this late in the evening, they are only reporting out ten dead. And perhaps folks were incredibly lucky, and there are far fewer than it seemed to me. We can certainly hope so.

Some victims taken to hospitals had crush injuries. Some were very critical. Others had minor to severe injuries, compound fractures to blood in the lungs and such.

Dogs were just brought in to sniff for survivors. There is renewed activity now as the emergency responders seem to be trying to uncover another victim, possibly spotted by the dogs.

One LAPD officer was on board, and was one of the fatalities. One Los Angeles Sheriff’s deputy was on board, not injured. He called in the report immediately after the incident.

The accident took place on a curve section of track. A siding near the accident site was not used. The Metrolink could have used that siding. Did the Engineer not see a warning to use it? We don’t know yet.

I have a friend of twenty years who is a conductor. His name is Bob. One woman reported earlier this evening that conductor Bob had two broken legs. The engineer was a fatality. I don’t know if this conductor is my friend or not.

More to follow.


94 posted on 09/12/2008 9:41:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Most recent report, 222 people were on the train at the time of the collision.


95 posted on 09/12/2008 9:42:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (McCain, the Ipecac President.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Excellent recap, D1. It's stunning.

Fox 11 is giving an update now.


97 posted on 09/12/2008 10:02:59 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: DoughtyOne

What a horrific wreck. I ride an identical Bombardier-made high-speed commuter train every day, to and from work. I can only imagine how terrifying such a wreck would be and how tragic the results with all the people packed inside the train cars. While I hope that the fatality count remains low, I can’t see how it can by anything other than a miracle.


101 posted on 09/12/2008 10:47:36 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: DoughtyOne

I just learned more from you than from the radio or TV. Thanks. So Sad. Wonder if your Bob is the same Bob mentioned upthread. Glad he at least survived.


110 posted on 09/12/2008 11:41:56 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: DoughtyOne

The “Bob” who conducts this train has white hair and looks to be around fifty to fifty-five.


114 posted on 09/13/2008 5:02:27 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: DoughtyOne

I have seen additional speculations that the Metrolink engineer may not have been able to see a signal because of the position of the sun lowering on the horizon. Unless the sun sets in the north, that is not the answer.


120 posted on 09/13/2008 8:35:37 AM PDT by ZGuy
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