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To: BroJoeK
"Do you believe that FDR had the exact "What-When-Where" of the 7 December 1941 Pearl Harbor attack?"

No, of course not. But the evidence suggests he knew quite a bit more than you imply. In fact, the evidence suggests the US government knew enough to have issued a much clearer "war warning" than they did.

And I conceded that point.

There is nothing more frustrating than for a veteran commander with three years of war experience under his belt to look back at his own performance as a rookie and say to himself, "How could I possibly have been that incredibly stupid and sloppy back then during my first test in battle".

Robert E. Lee's first rookie campaign in West Virginia was a total disaster.

General R. E. Lee's Northwest Virginia Campaign

Chester Nimitz was court-martialed for running his first command, the USS Decatur (DD-5), aground when was was an Ensign and a rookie CO.

That did not make Robert E. Lee a conspirator to hand over West Virginia to the Federals and that did not make Nimitz a saboteur. That simply made Robert E. Lee and Nimitz rookie commanders that fell embarrassingly flat on their faces the first time that they were tested as rookies in their new roles.

Remember, at the time Kimmel and Short were crucified for their failure to heed the "war warning" sent them. But a careful examination of the "warning" along with their actions shows they did exactly what was expected of them.

In other words, the rookie brass in Washington screwed up and the rookies Kimmel and Short did exactly as they were ordered to do without taking it to the next level as truly experienced commanders would have done.

In 1941, every American flag officer in the War Department was a rookie flag officer as far as war was concerned.

They got much better as the war went on or, as was the case with some of them like Kimmel and Short, were crucified for public relations reasons.

Life ain't fair.

For all we know, if Kimmel had been given a second chance (like MacArthur was given a second chance after he was caught flat footed in the Philippines even after the warning of Pearl Harbor) we might today have the USS Kimmel (CVN-68) named after the greatest naval hero since Horatio Nelson.

80 posted on 09/12/2008 2:20:09 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius; LS
"the evidence suggests the US government knew enough to have issued a much clearer "war warning" than they did."

"And I conceded that point."

Then we agree.

Now, if you'll take the time to study the subject (i.e., The Pearl Harbor Myth), you'll find there was a LOT more going on behind the scenes than most people realize.

81 posted on 09/13/2008 5:27:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK (A little historical perspective....)
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